Winchester White Box Prohibited at Range
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Brad Johnson
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Used to live close to a range that limited shooters to a certain type of ammo (which, coincidentally, was the ammo they sold in-house at a ridiculous markup). Their business was in the crapper. A new manager came in and immediately ****-canned the the restrictions, and priced the ammo to at least be competitive with most local stores. Revenues dropped in the short term, but word got out and revenues jumped. The range has been running a steady gain ever since.
On their range brass they use a magnet to pick out the steelies. If you wanted free donuts and cinnamon rolls on Saturday, come in early and help cull aluminum and sort brass for caliber. It's amazing how much brass six or eight people can sort in half an hour (not to mention the amount of BS that went around!
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On their range brass they use a magnet to pick out the steelies. If you wanted free donuts and cinnamon rolls on Saturday, come in early and help cull aluminum and sort brass for caliber. It's amazing how much brass six or eight people can sort in half an hour (not to mention the amount of BS that went around!
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countertop
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What city is this in?
What range is it?
If you post those details, I bet we can find another range within reasonable distance for you.
What range is it?
If you post those details, I bet we can find another range within reasonable distance for you.
Hmmmm. The indoor range I go to just requires brass cartridges with full metal jacket due to lead. They also don't like magnum rounds, but I don't shoot much of that anyway.
You just let your brass fall all over the floor and they sweep it up occasionally. $7 for as many guns as you want as long as you want, it doesn't bother me. I guess if you reload you wouldn't like that.
You just let your brass fall all over the floor and they sweep it up occasionally. $7 for as many guns as you want as long as you want, it doesn't bother me. I guess if you reload you wouldn't like that.
Souris
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Buy a couple of boxes of UMC. Shoot them up and then repack your WWB in the UMC boxes.
Brad Johnson
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It's gone now, and I'm gone from there. Last I heard the elderly owner died and the family sold the land to a developer.
We have a couple of decent ranges here in Lubbock, but they are pretty generic.
Brad
CZ-100
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I have shot 1000s of WWB in .380, 9mm, .40S&W with NO problems
Souris, why do you feel it necessary to break the range rules instead of just not shooting there? I'm sure if you owned a business you would not appreciate people doing such things. However if you are going to employ that trick, why would one not just use Winchester boxes from the non WWB line and just put WWB ammo in it?
I don't try to break range rules but once I was tempted to do something else. A range that is prety nice about 50miles from me has a real ***** as their reload ammo supplier.
He has a gift of making ranges kowtow to his insistance on calibers allowed to be shot/no steel/aluminum/ect. What I thought of doing to play havoc with his reloading equipment was find a source for brass cased BERDAN primed 9x19ammo and shoot a bunch of it there. I never did do it though, I guess I'm just too nice.
I don't try to break range rules but once I was tempted to do something else. A range that is prety nice about 50miles from me has a real ***** as their reload ammo supplier.
He has a gift of making ranges kowtow to his insistance on calibers allowed to be shot/no steel/aluminum/ect. What I thought of doing to play havoc with his reloading equipment was find a source for brass cased BERDAN primed 9x19ammo and shoot a bunch of it there. I never did do it though, I guess I'm just too nice.
Mannlicher
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find another range, or find a friend with a farm.
This range is ripping ya off. I don't hold it against them, its their business, and they can set what ever rules they like. I just would not favor them with my custom.
This range is ripping ya off. I don't hold it against them, its their business, and they can set what ever rules they like. I just would not favor them with my custom.
I've been to a range near Philly that does the same. When I asked they claimes that WWB "jammed more people's guns" or somesuch. WWB has NEVER jcaused a FTAnything in my 1911, but rules is rules...So, I bought their Remington UMC. Which caused the first FTFs in my Dan Wesson...
I can understand no Al or steel casings because of sorting, etc. But I'm with Colt on this that it's just because they can't compete. I'll just load my WWB back into their UMC boxes if I ever go back
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I can understand no Al or steel casings because of sorting, etc. But I'm with Colt on this that it's just because they can't compete. I'll just load my WWB back into their UMC boxes if I ever go back
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DMK
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Buy your ammo online. I buy S&B and brass cased CCI Blazer "Reloadable" for cheaper than Winchester at my local Wally World.
Standing Wolf
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You need a new range.
Stevie-Ray
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The range I frequent allows rifles on some lanes, so AR-15s are common. They now don't allow you to bring in ANY .223 ammo. You MUST buy it there. Of course all they sell is Olympic, which is strangely out of stock most of the time, and, of course, all the real expensive stuff like the 15 to 20 dollar a box high end crap that makes you scream HOW MUCH??!
No_Brakes23
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I was on a WinClean kick back in '99-'00 before I realized it used smaller primers. I don't like the loose nature of WWB, so I tend to break them open and put them in WinClean boxes anyway.
If you are trying to smuggle that way, be careful. Anyone who knows Win Ammo, knows that Win Clean cases say "NT" for non-toxic on the back and have a funky bullet shape.
just dump it all in a paper bag and say it is reloads.... no way to tell,
no range boy is going to be able to tell the diff between WWB and silver box winchester once it is out of the box.
as far as sorting the alum cases out an air table is the easiest
brass is heavy and stays on the table, alum is light and bounces on the air, and you just brush it away
no range boy is going to be able to tell the diff between WWB and silver box winchester once it is out of the box.
as far as sorting the alum cases out an air table is the easiest
brass is heavy and stays on the table, alum is light and bounces on the air, and you just brush it away
ruger270man
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just use some other good range ammo, but dont support them any more than you need to.. if there is another local range, go there instead
Sounds to me like they don't like being undersold. If they can prevent you from buying inexpensive WWB or Blazer, the greater likelyhood that you will just decide to buy their ammo to avoid the hassle of bringing comparably priced ammo of your own.
HighVelocity
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The indoor range I use sells WWB themselves. Not as cheap as walmart of course but it's the exact same ammo.
CajunBass
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One range I go to charges me for range time. I can shoot any ammo I want to, with the exception of "no reloads" in their rental guns. I rented a Glock from them once. They asked what kind of ammo I had, I said WWB, they said that was fine.
The other range doesn't allow outside ammo at all, but doesn't charge for range time. It works out about the same price. I actually prefer that range to the first one. I think it's because it's attached to a really nice gun store.
The other range doesn't allow outside ammo at all, but doesn't charge for range time. It works out about the same price. I actually prefer that range to the first one. I think it's because it's attached to a really nice gun store.
Hit them where it hurts, and let them now you did it!
When I started getting this crap over ammo., I hit them REALLY well! I bought my next three handguns ($1,000.00 each) all three at ANOTHER dealer. Then, I promptly carried them in, shared my fine news arms, let them marvel at their LOST SALE, and bought their ammo.
I am now allowed to, ". . .shoot whatever (I) want. You're a good customer".
Right! Money talks. It seems to me that they didn't do THAT calculation (lost firearms sales) into the business papers. I now buy my favorite 50 rounds of Wolff ammo. for $4.50/box of 50 rounds and sweep up after myself.
Doc2005
When I started getting this crap over ammo., I hit them REALLY well! I bought my next three handguns ($1,000.00 each) all three at ANOTHER dealer. Then, I promptly carried them in, shared my fine news arms, let them marvel at their LOST SALE, and bought their ammo.
I am now allowed to, ". . .shoot whatever (I) want. You're a good customer".
Right! Money talks. It seems to me that they didn't do THAT calculation (lost firearms sales) into the business papers. I now buy my favorite 50 rounds of Wolff ammo. for $4.50/box of 50 rounds and sweep up after myself.
Doc2005
It is all about the range making more $$. About 18 months ago my local range said no more Blazer ammo . I asked the guy who works there (related to owner) that I chat about guns with regularly and have shot with a couple times and he told me it was simply so they could sell more of the range reloads which cost more than Blazers bought at the local sporting goods stores. The range sold Blazers also but at over double the price,after I mentioned it was odd to sell ammo band at their own range they pulled them off the shelf.
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thorn726
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so lemme get this straight- are the banned types of ammo steel rather than brass, and they are collecting the brass? that could be it right there.
if copper is at $1 a pound, brass must be around 50 cents.
tat cna probably add up pretty quick at a range, and if you toss a few non brass items in there, it screws up the scrap operation big time.
LAME. what would be more repsectable would be to have seperate barrels for brass and steel
if copper is at $1 a pound, brass must be around 50 cents.
tat cna probably add up pretty quick at a range, and if you toss a few non brass items in there, it screws up the scrap operation big time.
LAME. what would be more repsectable would be to have seperate barrels for brass and steel
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