With all the HI-POINT guns out there which is..........

[Ash]

Beemiller, Iberia, Haskel, and Stallard all made the Hi Point before Hi Point. Just like Lorcin and Jennings, the design went through a series of owners and producers. Hi Point has lasted the longest, and the product may be okay - as long as you don't plan on carrying it CCW. Only a fool would trust that safety.

I almost bought a Haskel back in 1995. I ended up buying a Bryco 9. Never again will I buy very low end like that. I'm not a name guy, but that Haskel was a real piece of junk (imagine the Bryco handling better!).

The fact remains that they are blow-back pistols chambered for high-pressure rounds. They may indeed be reliable and accurate, I cannot say about the new ones. But they are single action striker-fired pistols with laughable safeties. They have zinc-alloy slides. They are cheaply-made.

They may work well for casual shooting and target practice, but there are better pistols out there. Yes, there really are better pistols out there and they are not even that much more expensive. Those who trust the Hi Point, more power to you.

As to those who mention you cannot find them used. I see them used all the time. But do you know how much a pawn shop gives for a used Hi Point? Around $15-$35. Would you sell any pistol for that much? I sold my Bryco for $50. In any case, check out gunbroker if you want some used.

 

[Bass Killer]

Youtube

I've never had powder burns from mine. Not sure how they would even do that. As far as exploding the barrel seems to be plenty robust.

There's a lot of these guns out there, has anyone ever heard of a first hand experience with a kaboom?

I'm not saying these don't have flaws but I don't think they're inherently less safe than the majority of other guns out there.

Youtube is full of jammings and hot powder burns

 

[theotherwaldo]

YouTube is full of many things... .

 

[Mooseman]

Youtube is full of jammings and hot powder burns

I can understand the jams part. A lot of firearms jam initially and hi-points are known to not uncommonly have mag issues right out of the box. There's plenty of other firearms at all price points to have break in issues.

I don't understand why anything about their design would make unburnt powder fly around. I'd like a link to the video. I'm not doubting what your saying but I'm curious as to why that would happen.

 

[Bass Killer]

Ive seen it

The .45 model spays hot powder back at you, I dont know how or why. Its happened to me with a Beretta M9 before so its not a myth

 

[Ash]

One guy got a Hi Point that was marked 45ACP on the slide but was fitted with a 40S&W barrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5i_2zHqkBs&NR=1

Here's his experience with the replacement - since experience is what's asked for...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAbEeMK2HFA&NR=1

And then you have this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwxOz5ZhlAA&feature=related



Of course, many do like it, this this couple, who seems satisfied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe9f7BGqf44&feature=related

 

[MCgunner]

I'm really not sure how they shoot. I could never get past the ugly to actually shoot one. They'd probably work as a range gun, but they're not really practical for much else.

If you want a CHEAP and very good carry, think Makarov. They are getting rarer, though.

 

[Wirtbowhunter]

After having nothing but great luck with my 995, I picked up a c9 at a gun show last winter. It is def not something carry around and brag about but it has never failed me. I have owned several nicer guns, and currently have a pair of XD's. I can shoot my c9 better than my xd's. At 20 yards I can shoot around 3-4" groups. I've heard lots of bad reports from folks on the internet about them, most have probably never owned or shot one. I'm sure that they have bad ones but mine goes bang each and every time I pull the trigger.

The worst thing is I only got one mag with it, I'd like to buy more but I hate to tie up as much money in mags as I have in the pistol. I would'nt go shoot a match with it for the main reason of having only 8 rounds in the mag.

I'll pick up another if I find it cheap enough and see if I just got lucky on the first one.

 

[ranger351w]

I have a 995ts and it is a great little weapon.I would trust it anytime and has been flawless with lrn reloads and accurate. Everyone at our IDPA shoots love it. They probably shoot it more than I do when we are done with the cofs and just playing around. What else can I say?? Will not tell anyone to buy one and will not tell them to not buy one. Up to you.

 

[harmon rabb]

my buddy has their 9mm carbine. it seems reliable and is minute of bad guy accurate.

 

[JR47]

When $1000 guns require a break-in, why wouldn't a $150 gun? When $1000 guns have to go back to the factory for defects (Sig P229, HK USP, both with MSRP over a grand), why wouldn't a $150 pistol?

They have a Warranty that is easy to use, and fast to service your gun. This is in marked contrast to Sig and HK, both of which took 6 weeks to repair my guns. Because someone is "too lazy" to use it says more of the shooter than the product. How many of us would refuse to send our Baer back if it wasn't up to par, and keep shooting it, and bad-mouthing it?

They are ugly. However, the local gun shops can't keep them in stock. Nor do they get used ones in, either.

Beemiller, Iberia, Haskel, and Stallard all made the Hi Point before Hi Point. Just like Lorcin and Jennings, the design went through a series of owners and producers. Hi Point has lasted the longest, and the product may be okay - as long as you don't plan on carrying it CCW. Only a fool would trust that safety.

Uh-huh, and so did Ruger, S&W, Sig, Colt, HK, and Savage. All of these designs went through a series development, and in many cases, owners. That's just mere pontificating, and means nothing. The comparison of cast frames, plastic frames, blow-back design, etc. can be found in just about any line of guns.

The guns do all that's required of them. They shoot accurately enough for defense. Cost is affordable in these days of lay-offs and pay-cuts, and they enable those who would otherwise not have a gun to practice their skills until they can snob-up, and be appreciated by people who hate a "cheap gun", especially that works.

 

[BarkelyPup]

I have both the 9mm and the 380. The Nine has jammed a lot on plinker ammo. The 380 however is a gun i have a lot of confidence in. I have put over 1000 rounds through it with not the first problem. Still though I only pack my 442 S&W 38. Can't deny the reliability of a revolver.

 

[jon_in_wv]

Beemiller, Iberia, Haskel, and Stallard all made the Hi Point before Hi Point.

HiPoint are made by Beemiller, Iberia, and Haskel under HiPionts umbrella. The Carbine is the only one I could stomach purhasing. I have considered getting a couple of the 9mms for oh **** guns to put in a box somewhere.

http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/contact/contact_hi_point_firearms.html

 

[tlmkr38]

Good advice.

Think of a gun as a dangerous instrument. Do you want it built by the lowest bidder with your life possibly depending on it?

They may work - but not when you need it.

When a gun is below a certain price point - the maker cuts somewhere.

Second best design to save 10%
Low cost - less durable materials - low quality steel
Service means a new gun since it's easier than actually fixing it
Lower quality metal means no hot ammo - so self defense and lots of practice is not a good idea on an inexpensive gun

Some have called me a gun snob. I am.

Cheap guns save lots of police officer's lives every year. Why would you risk your life that way - even if it is a trunk gun?

Why settle for less?

Rememeber, the most sophisticated high tech military in the world (US Military) is supplied by the lowest bidder..... I had the same thoughts about HI Point also. Then I bought one from a friend who needed money. tried everything I could to make it jam. It will if you limp wrist it but it shot reloads, factory, hollowpoints,FMJ lead anything I fed it. It fired right side up. upside down and sideways...

As for one that I would carry, no, I like others better, But I won't knock a HI Point based on price. IT was reliable, fairly accurate which means I could walk a can with it and actually not too bad on recoil. Besides, it is always better to have on you can afford than to be looking at one you can't.

 

[Hawthorne2k]

Last year I was out a gunblogger meetup at a public range in Casa Grande, where we über-cool super-sophisticated gun blogger types were firing our tricked-out hardware. I had my 3-gun competition firearms and there were Garands and Kimbers and 1000 yard sniper rifles spittin' out .338 Lapau and we were all just a-havin' a great time.

About halfway thru it, we were joined by a dozen or so locals out for a Saturday shoot with their collection of firearms, and the nicest gun they had was a Taurus PT145. They had Mossberg Mavericks and Hi-Point carbines and SKS's and Moison-Nagants and Hi-Point pistols o'plenty. None of their guns were "barbecue guns"; heck, all of their guns put together probably cost as much as the scope on one of our rifles.

And you know what? They were having just as good a time with their sub-$300 firearms as we were with our tricked-out super deluxe ultra-guns.

If what you got works for you and works well, don't worry about what company is stamped on the receiver: Shoot it often and well, and let others worry about labels and brand names. The gun you have and can use to defend your life (if needed) RIGHT NOW is much, much better than the gun of your dreams.

 

[jon_in_wv]

I have counseled many of my friends against buying HiPoints. None of them listened but every one of them has been who bought one wasn't disappointed. They all work well for them. None of them are avid shooters either so I'm sure they haven't seen a lot of rounds down range.

 

[wgaynor]

Sounds like too many assumptions on here. No matter what the subject matter may be, when I hear "I heard" or "a friend said" or "a buddy of mine", I automatically discount it as hearsay. Granted, there are one or two first hand accounts of bad experiences, but you can have that with any product...even the most expensive ones.

I once opened a coke can to find it was empty...does that mean all coke cans are empty?

I once bought a hi point that has yet to jam and works perfect for me. Does that mean all hi points will? No. Just because it is not suitable for one person, doesn't mean it isn't suitable for others.

Way too many opinions on here and very few facts.

 

[jon_in_wv]

That is kind of a cop out. If I say I have 10 friends that all bought Hi-Points and none of them had any problems with them I would call that a fact. Its not my OPINION they didn't have problems with theirs. If you have problems with the way people are presenting the facts or the lack thereof you should add to the conversation and provide some of the facts you are talking about. Showing up to tell everyone you are going to ignore their opinions doesn't add much.

This is a FORUM. (. an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.) it is meant as a place for people to discuss their opinions. Take them for what they are worth. If you are looking for FACTS, then your probably looking in the wrong place. Looking on the internet for the FACTS is a risky endeavor to start with.

 

[CajunBass]

I have counseled many of my friends against buying HiPoints. None of them listened but every one of them has been disappointed. They all work well for them.

Why were they disapointed?

 

[FenderTK421]

"Also, you can shake the gun side-to-side and it rattles."

Same w/ every AKM copy I have ever held. How reliable are they?

 

[jon_in_wv]

Good catch Cajun, I meant NONE of them. It was a typo.

Also, 1911s rattle, my P7 rattles, my M&Ps rattle. Its just what they do.

 

[CajunBass]

I figured that was what you meant Jon.

I know this thread started about four years ago, but since it's risen from the dead (is this a "Zombie thread"?) I don't mind commenting. I've got a Hi-Point (9mm). It works which is all I ask it to do. I suppose you could say it groups like buckshot, but then every handgun I have seems to do that when I shoot it for some reason. I haven't shot the gun in years, but if the Zombies ever come for us, I'll issue it to somebody. It's a lot better than no gun.

.

 

[wgaynor]

Jon in wv

you're preaching to the choir here. I am a huge Hi Point fan and was referring to all the posts where somebody had a friend of a friend that had one that worked horribly.

I too thought you were stating they were dissapointed by their purchases and didn't realize it was a typo.

My question is why did you counsel people AGAINST buying HI Points?

 

[PigButtons]

I LOVE zombie threads like this!

I got a Hi-Point .45 to use if I had to shoot a neighbor's dog because the neighbor is too stupid to keep his vicious pit bull under control and out of my yard. :banghead:

If the gun gets confiscated for a time, or forever, who cares. If they take my $900 Detonics that would hurt for a long time.

Point is, know why you want to buy a gun, and get one that meets the need.

 

[MrWesson]

About highpoint not being accurate I call BS. My c9 although ugly can shoot circles around my glock 26. Now when something goes down I will reach for my glock because it feeds more reliably. Although the c9 does not jam often (every 400 rounds or so) my glock has never had a FTF.

The difference between a snob and an enthusiast is the snob will see a hipoint and think to himself I would never touch that gun but the other guy will at least shoot or buy one to try all flavors.

A highpoint serves an important role in the gun industry to put a gun in the hands of people who otherwise may not be able to protect themselves or family. The more people that own firearms the better off we all are in the long run.

Your average joe who isnt a enthusiast will not be able to tell the difference between a glock and a highpoint based on appearance and I have tested this on about 10 of my friends who dont shoot.