Wolf Primers ?
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nambu1
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I have use 1000's of them and never had any problems.
Hondo 60
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Just be aware that there's a regular shipping charge AND a $25 Hazmat fee.
That fee is charged by every primer & powder retailer
(on occasion some will waive it if you buy 5,000 primers)
Last August I bought 1,000 Wolf large pistol primers, all 1,000 went bang.
As cberge8 said - $15.50/1,000 - don't know anywhere that's cheaper.
That fee is charged by every primer & powder retailer
(on occasion some will waive it if you buy 5,000 primers)
Last August I bought 1,000 Wolf large pistol primers, all 1,000 went bang.
As cberge8 said - $15.50/1,000 - don't know anywhere that's cheaper.
FROGO207
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Yeah I have used all brands of primers in the past and Wolf are as good as any of the others. They do tend to take more force to seat than some brands but this works to your advantage when using brass with loose primer pockets. I can then get another reload out of the brass and IMHO that is great.
I just mark them as scrap for the next cycle with a black magic marker on the base.
I just mark them as scrap for the next cycle with a black magic marker on the base.[email protected]
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I have used the LP and the SRM to date and I am overall satisified with their quality. I have not used their SP primers yet so I cannot comment on them. I will also recommend Powder Valley as they seem to be good people to deal with. I have used their Tula primers in SP without any issues on the part of the primer ( Powder Valley does not list a standard primer for SP in the wolf line only a SPM) . They can be a little harder to seat and at my last extended range session I had three that failed to fire on the first strike with my G27. I had alot going on at that reloading session because I was loading for a new Storm-Lake barrel for using in my G27 and G23, along with my new bullet mold.
floydster
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Tula/Wolf, as good as any other primer
mgmorden
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This may be mildly off-topic, but from my understanding smokeless powder and primers are scheduled to come off the hazardous materials list in 2014. Mail ordering them will get a LOT more attractive at that point.
As it is you really have to buy in some pretty hefty quantitites to beat local pricing.
amlevin
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When using standard primers in my .308 loads the Wolf and also Tula primers have given me lower ES and SD's than CCI's and Winchesters. At half the price that can't be all bad.
Now if they'd just make a Benchrest Primer for half the price of CCI BR-2's
Now if they'd just make a Benchrest Primer for half the price of CCI BR-2's
Really depends on local pricing, doesn't it? My LGS charges the same for 100 primers whether purchased in 100 or 5k quantities. They're worse about powder. I can make up the HAZMAT in 5k worth of primers or an 8lb jug of powder. I usually order 16lb of powder or 20k or so primers just to take advantage of the sunk cost of the HAZMAT charge. There are a couple of us that do large group orders from time to time.
Back OT: Many benchrest shooters swear by Wolf primers as the most consistent available. I've never had a problem with them at all.
I recently ran a test to compare velocities with my standard 30-06 match load of 168 SMK 47.0 grs IMR 4895.
I have lots of 174 FMJBT's, five gallon buckets of LC match brass, so I used those and all the primers I have rolling around the reloading room. Any load I have developed with 174’s is perfectly safe with 168 match bullets.
I do not recommend the use of Federals in Garands, Federals are the most slamfiring primers around, so I am not publishing any federal primer data in my Garand, because someone may think it might be an endorsement of use.
I used the great old WLR nickle plated primers. These were made prior to 1999. Winchester changed their primers in 1999 to make them "more" sensitive and changed the primer color to brass. These brass Winchester primers have thinner cups than the older version and I do not recommend there use in Garands/M1a's. I also do not recommend the use of brass WSR as primer piercing in my AR's ate up a handfull of firing pins at loads that never bothered the great old nickle plated WSR.
Tula 7.62 primers were advertized by Graf as equivalent to CCI #34 primers. CCI #34 primers are advertized as being “mil spec” primers by CCI. Mil Spec primers are the only appropriate primers to use in Garands and M1a’s as they are less sensitive than commercial primers and greatly reduce the risk of an out of battery slamfire.
Tula 7.62 and Wolf primers shot very well and I used Tula 7.62 a couple of weeks later in a match.
30-06 Primer Test
Shot these primers in a local 100 yard reduced highpower match. My score was acceptable and I think these are fine primers.
Target shot in competition
I have lots of 174 FMJBT's, five gallon buckets of LC match brass, so I used those and all the primers I have rolling around the reloading room. Any load I have developed with 174’s is perfectly safe with 168 match bullets.
I do not recommend the use of Federals in Garands, Federals are the most slamfiring primers around, so I am not publishing any federal primer data in my Garand, because someone may think it might be an endorsement of use.
I used the great old WLR nickle plated primers. These were made prior to 1999. Winchester changed their primers in 1999 to make them "more" sensitive and changed the primer color to brass. These brass Winchester primers have thinner cups than the older version and I do not recommend there use in Garands/M1a's. I also do not recommend the use of brass WSR as primer piercing in my AR's ate up a handfull of firing pins at loads that never bothered the great old nickle plated WSR.
Tula 7.62 primers were advertized by Graf as equivalent to CCI #34 primers. CCI #34 primers are advertized as being “mil spec” primers by CCI. Mil Spec primers are the only appropriate primers to use in Garands and M1a’s as they are less sensitive than commercial primers and greatly reduce the risk of an out of battery slamfire.
Tula 7.62 and Wolf primers shot very well and I used Tula 7.62 a couple of weeks later in a match.
30-06 Primer Test
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[SIZE="3"][B]Colombian Mauser Match[/B]
174 FMJBT White Box 1968 NM M72, Headstamp LC67 match, box velocity 2640 fps
14 Nov 2011 T = 68 °F
Ave Vel = 2698
Std Dev = 51
ES = 117
High = 2771
Low = 2654
N = 5
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM CCI #34 OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2645
Std Dev = 12
ES = 42
High = 2671
Low = 2629
N = 10
Very good group
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Tula 7.62 lot 1-10 primers OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2665
Std Dev = 9
ES = 28
High = 2677
Low = 2649
N = 10
Excellent Group
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Wolf NCLR lot 18-09 OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2656
Std Dev = 15
ES = 36
High = 2677
Low = 2641
N = 9
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Fed 210S OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2656
Std Dev = 13
ES = 34
High = 2674
Low = 2640
N = 10
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM WLR (Nickle) OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2665
Std Dev = 18
ES = 60
High = 2696
Low = 2636
N = 10
Excellent group
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM CCI200 OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2680
Std Dev = 14
ES = 56
High = 2712
Low = 2656
N = 10
V. Good group[/SIZE]
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[SIZE="3"][B]M1 Garand BMR Receiver Douglas Barrel 1:10 twist [/B]
150 gr FMJBT 1966 Ball
14 Nov 2011 T= 74 ° F
Ave Vel = 2545
Std Dev = 20
ES = 68
Low = 2513
High = 2581
N= 8
174 FMJBT White Box 1968 NM M72, Headstamp LC67 match, box velocity 2640 fps
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2592
Std Dev = 28
ES = 103
High = 2647
Low = 2544
N = 10
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM CCI #34 OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2632
Std Dev = 20
ES = 60
High = 2671
Low = 2611
N = 10
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Tula 7.62 lot 1-10 primers OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2582
Std Dev = 15
ES = 49
High = 2602
Low = 2553
N = 10
excellent group
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Wolf NCLR lot 18-09 OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2607
Std Dev = 17
ES = 57
High = 2642
Low = 2585
N = 10
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM WLR (Nickle) OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2650
Std Dev = 19
ES = 68
High = 2688
Low = 2620
N = 10
Very good group
174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895 Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM CCI200 OAL 3.30
14 Nov 2011 T = 74 °F
Ave Vel = 2599
Std Dev = 22
ES = 75
High = 2637
Low = 2562
N = 10
Very good group [/SIZE]Shot these primers in a local 100 yard reduced highpower match. My score was acceptable and I think these are fine primers.
Target shot in competition
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I like having them for target rounds but dont use them for any rounds used for a purpose(USPSA).
I do have the occasional FTF because the primers are larger and take more effort to seat and sometimes they dont seat all the way and cause problems.
I do have the occasional FTF because the primers are larger and take more effort to seat and sometimes they dont seat all the way and cause problems.
I've had zero failures after 1k Wolf LPP. I'm only through 400 or so Wolf .223 primers, and a buddy had one failure with my rifle. That was on the first shot of a magazine, and I watched him let the charging handle down too easy, rather than letting it slam home. I'm not sure if that could somehow affect the primer strike, but those are the facts. The primer was struck, and it didn't fire.
Hammerdown77
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I had issues popping Tula small pistol primers (made in same factory as Wolf, supposedly) in my striker-fired guns. Never an issue in a revolver, unless it had a significantly lightened mainspring.
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