gunsmith
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what State?
I have traveled just about everywhere and I always see those signs that say
SLOWER TRAFFIC MUST MOVE RIGHT
I have traveled just about everywhere and I always see those signs that say
SLOWER TRAFFIC MUST MOVE RIGHT
Woman shoots at tailgater
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Deavis
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I'm dreading coming back to the US and driving on the freeways after being here. When you come up behind somebody, they get out of the way immediately. If they are passing three cars, they immediately slip in between them and come out after you have passed them. On a two lane road, they pull over as far to the right as possible so you can pass them as well. It is amazing how well traffic flows when the "Traffic Avengers" are not in the left lane preaching their gospel.
That woman deserves to have the book thrown at her after what she did. Bad publicity for gun owners and CCWs alike.
pacodelahoya
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Aguila,
Here in Pa there are signs on all four lanes that say"Keep right unless passing"
Doesn't specify about speed limit adherence.
Once again, the law is the law and what is right is what is right and sometimes, the two aren't the same. (my opinion)
As far as the woman in question...She needs some time in the old gray bar hotel!
Here in Pa there are signs on all four lanes that say"Keep right unless passing"
Doesn't specify about speed limit adherence.
Once again, the law is the law and what is right is what is right and sometimes, the two aren't the same. (my opinion)
As far as the woman in question...She needs some time in the old gray bar hotel!
benEzra
Moderator Emeritus
No, if you're hanging out in the left lane and there is traffic backed up behind you, you are NOT obeying the law.
It does in most states; yours may be an exception. Do you live in Alaska, Maryland, or North Carolina? If you live in any state other than those three, your state laws require you to move to the right and let faster traffic pass, regardless of whether or not you think you are traveling the speed limit.
Keep Right laws, by state: http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
My state of NC is one of the three states that don't have some sort of keep-right/yield-to-faster-traffic provision, though, so here in NC some people think the left lane is reserved for expensive SUV's, or for people talking on cell phones, or for Important People.
But it's just common courtesy, even if it's not law in your state; if people want to pass you, let them. If people want to accelerate faster than you from a stop light, let them. It's not your job to throw up a roadblock to slow them down, any more than it's your job to body-check people on the sidewalk if you think they are walking too fast, or tackle pedestrians you think are jaywalking.
National Motorists Association on common courtesy: http://www.motorists.org/right/releasetwo.html
madmike
Believe me, I think it's great you gave that jerk something to think about--and that you didn't get into any kind of trouble. At least you didn't put one across his bow. LOL. We CCWers need to realize that if too many of us act like the woman who is the subject of this post, or brandished every time we got a little peeved with aggressive drivers, we wouldn't have the CCW option for long. I think it's important we hold ourselves to a high standard of responsible behavior.
K
Believe me, I think it's great you gave that jerk something to think about--and that you didn't get into any kind of trouble. At least you didn't put one across his bow. LOL. We CCWers need to realize that if too many of us act like the woman who is the subject of this post, or brandished every time we got a little peeved with aggressive drivers, we wouldn't have the CCW option for long. I think it's important we hold ourselves to a high standard of responsible behavior.
K
Master Blaster
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Tailgating is a bad idea always. It doesnt matter how fast or slow the other person is going or even which lane they are in. You can drive well over the speed limit without ever tailgating anyone, if the conditions allow it if they dont then you cant.
Tailgating is dangerous to you as well as the person you are tailgating. Its sort of like pointing a loaded gun at a stranger, everytime you do it.
Tailgating leaves no reaction time if something unpredictable happens or if you the tailgater, blink or answer your cell phone
Following too close, and its cousin passing too close, is the number one cause of accidents.
If someone is going too slowly back off and pass them!! if you cant pass them back off anyway and think pleasant thoughts till you can.
Driving is not warfare or a competition. The idea is to get there alive!!
Leave 5 minute earlier if you need too.
Really everyone else on the road is not your enemy. CHILL
Tailgating is dangerous to you as well as the person you are tailgating. Its sort of like pointing a loaded gun at a stranger, everytime you do it.
Tailgating leaves no reaction time if something unpredictable happens or if you the tailgater, blink or answer your cell phone
Following too close, and its cousin passing too close, is the number one cause of accidents.If someone is going too slowly back off and pass them!! if you cant pass them back off anyway and think pleasant thoughts till you can.
Driving is not warfare or a competition. The idea is to get there alive!!
Leave 5 minute earlier if you need too.
Really everyone else on the road is not your enemy. CHILL
Turkey Creek
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Pertaining to being in the passing lane only when passing- Missouri has to be ground zero for the "Left Lane Huggers"- Yeah there's a law against it but I've never seen anyone pulled over for it- Then again "they don't let me out much" so it's an annoyance that I find more amusing than anything else- Just amazing how oblivious people are when they get behind the wheel- Common courtesy has been replaced by complete selfcenteredness
madmike
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Fine. Then drive a reasonable speed, because I like running over twits in my full size van with the ram manifold and fuel injection
(/sarcasm)
Thain
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Michigan law also requires you to drive at or below the speed limit. Right or left lane be damned, its called a limit for a reason.
Yes there are signs that say slower traffic must stay right, followed with signs that say speed limit ##. If you are going the speed limit, then you are going the fastest you can go.
Now, with that said, I do move over if people are speeding and I'm in the fast lane - even though they're breaking the law.
What bothers me is when I'm in the middle lane and people are getting on my case. If they want to pass - there is a lane just for that - why not stop flashing their lights and getting on my tail and just use the passing lane?
Now, with that said, I do move over if people are speeding and I'm in the fast lane - even though they're breaking the law.
What bothers me is when I'm in the middle lane and people are getting on my case. If they want to pass - there is a lane just for that - why not stop flashing their lights and getting on my tail and just use the passing lane?
Went to Nova Scotia and spent a week there. Even on too lane roads poeple pull on the shoulder and let you pass. And wave courtiously.
Coming back maine wasn't too bad. a random driver in the left lane for no reason. New york 9 cars in the left lane for no reason through Pa.
The reality of home and rude poeple set in. Its rediculas. I catogorise those poeple who don't have the courtesy to let you pass them with littering.
Law or not its Rude. Some kind of control issue?
As for the lady shooting her gun. She deserves whatever she gets. There is no reason for it.
Coming back maine wasn't too bad. a random driver in the left lane for no reason. New york 9 cars in the left lane for no reason through Pa.
The reality of home and rude poeple set in. Its rediculas. I catogorise those poeple who don't have the courtesy to let you pass them with littering.
Law or not its Rude. Some kind of control issue?
As for the lady shooting her gun. She deserves whatever she gets. There is no reason for it.
pacodelahoya
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Chipp, I refer to those people as "KEEPER of the SPEED"
After driving for almost 4 years in Germany, it surely was a letdown to drive back here in the land of the big PX.(murika for you non military types)
After driving for almost 4 years in Germany, it surely was a letdown to drive back here in the land of the big PX.(murika for you non military types)
benEzra
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But only 3 states allow you to hang out in the left lane and run the speed limit if you are obstructing traffic--Alaska, North Carolina, and Maryland. The rest require you to get right if you're obstructing others, regardless of your speed.
And how often do you calibrate your speedometer? For all you know, you could be running 52 in a 55, and the guy behind you giving you the finger could be indicating 49, if your speedometers are off 3 mph in opposite directions.
Crossing the street at some place other than the crosswalk is against the law. So is tackling or body-checking jaywalkers. But blocking jaywalkers is WAY worse, in my opinion, than jaywalking itself.
Even ignoring the fact that speed limits are often set unrealistically low for revenue-generation purposes, look at it this way. Even if you are "obeying the law," that is not license to be a rude jerk to others. If you want to drive slower than others, drive in the right lane. If you want to take off slowly from a stop light, do so in the right lane. Traffic will flow safer and more smoothly, and everybody's happy.
gunsmith
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absolutely a control issue
people like our female tire shooter have control issues, she wanted to make the truck driver obey.
I hope she does jail time.
people like our female tire shooter have control issues, she wanted to make the truck driver obey.
I hope she does jail time.
My initial reaction is the same as most everyone here, however, let me play devil's advocate.
I think someone mentioned that the media is quick to convict gun owners and guns, and use verbage that leads the reader to a swift conviction.
A person tailgating you at high speed can indeed be life-threatening.
Especially, if you don't have any options to get out of the way, and if slowing down may result in the tailgater running into you and causing an accident. The man in the pickup truck is driving a 3,000 lb deadly weapon if used inappropriately.
Giving the woman the benefit of the doubt, it will be interesting to hear the woman describe the circumstances that led her to believe that her life was being threatened and that she decided to use deadly force in her self-defense. The article says she was "tired" of being tailgated, but maybe that's the reporter's point of view.
I'm not sure if Michigan has a castle doctrine law which says you don't have to flee if you are threatened, you may stand your ground, and I don't know if your car constitutes your "castle".
All of us with guns know that we are justified in using deadly force in our self-defense when our life is being threatened, and we are to shoot until the threat ceases.
Was the woman's life being threatened?
I'm not saying what she did was right or wrong, just that we don't have any details of the case, and perhaps should consider whether her life was being threatened.
Again, just offering another perspective...
I think someone mentioned that the media is quick to convict gun owners and guns, and use verbage that leads the reader to a swift conviction.
A person tailgating you at high speed can indeed be life-threatening.
Especially, if you don't have any options to get out of the way, and if slowing down may result in the tailgater running into you and causing an accident. The man in the pickup truck is driving a 3,000 lb deadly weapon if used inappropriately.
Giving the woman the benefit of the doubt, it will be interesting to hear the woman describe the circumstances that led her to believe that her life was being threatened and that she decided to use deadly force in her self-defense. The article says she was "tired" of being tailgated, but maybe that's the reporter's point of view.
I'm not sure if Michigan has a castle doctrine law which says you don't have to flee if you are threatened, you may stand your ground, and I don't know if your car constitutes your "castle".
All of us with guns know that we are justified in using deadly force in our self-defense when our life is being threatened, and we are to shoot until the threat ceases.
Was the woman's life being threatened?
I'm not saying what she did was right or wrong, just that we don't have any details of the case, and perhaps should consider whether her life was being threatened.
Again, just offering another perspective...
SoCalShooter
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Dammit people think before you act!!
Bigtuna, you're right, if someone is bearing down on the vehicle you're in it can be interpreted as dangerous, but in this case, she said she's "tired of being tailgated."
She lost it.
Simply take away her right to CCW and give her a little time in prison so she can :banghead:
She lost it.
Simply take away her right to CCW and give her a little time in prison so she can :banghead:
Mannlicher
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I just saw it earlier in the news. Since it was gun related, and I was not aware of a thread on the same subject here in this forum, I posted a thread in the General Discussion section. Jason so graciously closed that thread.
I was saying that it was about the first time I have seen a CCW permit holder using their gun in an illegal manner.
Let one legal gun owner misuse their gun, and its front page news. I would imagine that the percentage of crimes commited by legal owners pales in comparison to those commited by illegal gun owners.
I was saying that it was about the first time I have seen a CCW permit holder using their gun in an illegal manner.
Let one legal gun owner misuse their gun, and its front page news. I would imagine that the percentage of crimes commited by legal owners pales in comparison to those commited by illegal gun owners.
I slow down for those that tailgate.
No, I don't drive in the passing lane.
Don't like it? Then find a way around me.
I also sit lower in the car than the angle of the mirrors, so the "hi-beams in the mirrors" trick doesn't work on me.
I'm thinking of tinting the back windshield as well.
Rear-mounted fog lights... hmmmm.
No, I don't drive in the passing lane.
Don't like it? Then find a way around me.
I also sit lower in the car than the angle of the mirrors, so the "hi-beams in the mirrors" trick doesn't work on me.
I'm thinking of tinting the back windshield as well.
Rear-mounted fog lights... hmmmm.
i dont drive particularly slow, usually about 5 mph over, i get angry at everyone who tailgates me, and usually a light step to the brake pedal eases them back, i absolutely love it when a little hybrid comes a tailgating, i slow to about 5mph below the speed limit, and then stomp on it, the cummins spews a generous amount of black smoke all over the stupid little hybrid. and i point and laugh as they drive past. once they catch up that is...
PedalBiker
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I think this lady made a serious mistake.
On the other hand our country seems to be populated by an awfully large number of people who can't be bothered to be responsible with their cars too.
During the brief time I lived in NC I was hit by a hit and run driver. I got a license plate # and the state patrol found the jerk (he hit us on purpose, passing in a no passing zone in the dark during a rain storm). The guy had no insurance to boot, so I had to foot the deductible for the repairs or risk suing a redneck local. The cops would only ticket him for passing in a no passing zone and for driving without insurance. The fact that he had tailgated us for over a half mile flashing his lights didn't count for squat. (winding curves, two lane road, no where to pull over and I was driving close to the speed limit)
I just think it's amazing how those who violate the law with automobiles get such a free pass.
Tailgating could well be assualt with a deadly weapon. Why won't the cops even try to figure that one out? They don't have a problem shooting at someone in a car who is threatening them.
I do my best to stay out of the way of hurrywarts too. I'd rather they hit someone else.
On the other hand our country seems to be populated by an awfully large number of people who can't be bothered to be responsible with their cars too.
During the brief time I lived in NC I was hit by a hit and run driver. I got a license plate # and the state patrol found the jerk (he hit us on purpose, passing in a no passing zone in the dark during a rain storm). The guy had no insurance to boot, so I had to foot the deductible for the repairs or risk suing a redneck local. The cops would only ticket him for passing in a no passing zone and for driving without insurance. The fact that he had tailgated us for over a half mile flashing his lights didn't count for squat. (winding curves, two lane road, no where to pull over and I was driving close to the speed limit)
I just think it's amazing how those who violate the law with automobiles get such a free pass.
Tailgating could well be assualt with a deadly weapon. Why won't the cops even try to figure that one out? They don't have a problem shooting at someone in a car who is threatening them.
I do my best to stay out of the way of hurrywarts too. I'd rather they hit someone else.
benEzra
Moderator Emeritus
I just hope you don't do that in the passing lane of a multilane highway...
BTW, rather than tailgating, the safer and more polite way of reminding a left lane hog that they're supposed to move to the right is
(1) Putting on your left turn signal while a reasonable distance behind them. Problem is, most people who are oblivious enough to stay in the left lane when they are holding up traffic, are oblivious enough to not notice the turn signal of the car behind them, or wonder what it means.
(2) BRIEF flash of the headlights (say, a quarter second at most). Usually two flashes in a row, to help the left lane hog notice you. Only works if the person is paying attention to their mirror, though.
Beyond that, I'm open to suggestions.
madmike
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Most people don't check their mirrors. I've seen people chased by a cop for two miles and not notice until he pulled alongside and in FRONT.
Then there's people who'll tell you, "I like driving in the left lane!"
I guess they think it's their road.
If the limit is 70 and I'm doing 75, no one has any business honking or tailgating, because I'm passing people. When I get a chance, I will pull over so they can pass.
Conversely, if you want to do 65-70, then expect to move out of the way for those going about the limitish, because you're OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC.
But I can't see shooting at them.
Then there's people who'll tell you, "I like driving in the left lane!"
I guess they think it's their road.
If the limit is 70 and I'm doing 75, no one has any business honking or tailgating, because I'm passing people. When I get a chance, I will pull over so they can pass.
Conversely, if you want to do 65-70, then expect to move out of the way for those going about the limitish, because you're OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC.
But I can't see shooting at them.
Strings
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I had one instance of wishing to fire on a tailgater. But it was rather special circumstances...
It was the first week I was riding a motorcycle, and I was on my way home from work. The SL was 55, and I passed a lil' Metro that was going 35-40. Driver took offence at that, and immediately tromped the gas, pulling to within less than a foot of my back tire...
Yes, I know: the bike could've gone much faster. But, as a (then) inexperienced rider, I didn't want to push it. Would REALLY have liked to put a 240gr .44 through his hood...
It was the first week I was riding a motorcycle, and I was on my way home from work. The SL was 55, and I passed a lil' Metro that was going 35-40. Driver took offence at that, and immediately tromped the gas, pulling to within less than a foot of my back tire...
Yes, I know: the bike could've gone much faster. But, as a (then) inexperienced rider, I didn't want to push it. Would REALLY have liked to put a 240gr .44 through his hood...
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