Worst Rifle Ever?

[briansmithwins]

Making lots and lots of crap is still making crap. Communism is not know for it's cutting edge technology, or even good ideas for that matter. That would be like the US still using the 1903 or M1 Garand. Both great rifles, more accurate than an AK and vastly better ergonomics. Reliability is better on the 1903 and M1 as well. Stating that a rifle has been in service for 60 years does not make it a good rifle. Having a rifle in service for 60 years means that either your country sucks and development or that it is not willing to accept that better rifles have since been invented. Or both. One could say the same thing based on the age of the AR platform. It is an older design that may need to be replaced. But the simple fact of the matter is that the AR is far more accurate and is slowly, I mean really really slowly, being replaced. And no I do not own and AR. And this thread is entirely based on opinion as there is no real way to say that one is the greatest ever and one is the worst ever. So even though 50 million were made that means that there are 50 million rifles out there with sub par accuracy, horrible ergonomics, bad sights and overstated reliability.

I guess we'll have to disagree than. I've been shooting my Aks at local matches and doing ok. I usually come in in the top 1/3rd of shooters.

4MOA accuracy is still good enough to hit 12” plate at 300 yards, which is a common target at the matches I shoot. The sights are very fast close up and usual out at longish range (300 yards or so) too. Not target sights but the AK ain't a target rifle.

As for ergonomics, if you run an AK like an Garand, it's just fine. charging handle is in the same place, Mag release is in the same place, the safety is different but that's more than made up for by the AK's 30 round mag as opposed to the Garand's 8 round clip.

Reliability? You really want to argue that there is a more reliable rifle in crappy conditions when used by illiterate peasants to whom a steel hoe is high tech? Which rifle would you argue is more reliable in real world conditions? Will an AK fail is abused too much? Sure. But so will anything made by men.

BSW

 

[Robert]

Brian,
We do disagree, but that is fine. I am happy to hear that yours runs great for you. I can only speak to what I have seen. And yes anything will fail if abused.

illiterate peasants to whom a steel hoe is high tech?

Man that is some funny stuff. Honorable men can disagree. And again I am glad yours works great for you. For the record I am a FAL guy, so I really don't mind all the AR or AK stuff. I just rock along and smile at the all the odd looks I get.

 

[JWF III]

I'd say the AR-15. $1000 jam-o-matic

The one that I USED to own, definently falls into that category. (Though it wasn't $1k. It was $400, but that was the late 80s, when the Colts were ~$600.) It ruined me on the design. Haven't owned one for going on 20 years now. Never looked back, and don't regret getting rid of it.

Wyman

 

[gunsandreligion]

Ak47. Seriously. Sub par accuracy, horrible ergonomics, bad sights and overstated reliability.

I'm sure there's alot of people who would disagree...excepet they cant becouse of a ak-47. and ergonomics are what You like, not others.

 

[2Ais4U]

Anything m4 ar15 or m16 pretty much takes this cake.

 

[Robert]

I'm sure there's alot of people who would disagree...excepet they cant becouse of a ak-47. and ergonomics are what You like, not others.

And they are welcome to disagree all they want. It is my opinion and does not have to matter to anyone other than myself. My opinion is no more right or wrong than the opinion of someone who feels the AR platform is the worst ever. The whole thing is very subjective.

 

[Moon]

Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine

the Ruger 77 Mark II that I purchased in 2001

Both of these guns are the worst ever made for exactly the same reason: horrible accuracy. I would have had better luck throwing those rifles at the target.

 

[Dookie]

Marlin 88 22lr. worst designed semi auto ever made. Horribly complicated, never reliable. Whoever designed it must have been some type of evil engineer bent on screwing with people.

 

[jkingrph]

Chauchat? That's a machine gun. Sten? M3 Grease Gun? Those are sub guns.

Beat me too it, I thought the thread was about worst "rifle"!!

 

[XxWINxX94]

I really wanted to put my say-so in this thread. However, after looking through pictures of my gun collection and trying to recall shooting each one, I have to say that I don't own any bad rifles.

Pistols are a different story, haha.

I will say that those semi-auto french MLE: 36/41 (or whatever its called) converted to .308, are complete crap. I've heard stories of guys having to wax the brass, use their feet to "kick-start" the charging handle, and just bad stuff.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but thats what I heard.

 

[Dunkelheit]

The worst rifle i´ve ever shot was a Norinco M305.

 

[bearmgc]

Remington 710.

 

[KBintheSLC]

The worst rifle I have seen was a butchered, commie-state compliant pump action AK mutant. It had welded barrel threads, a homemade stock, and a permanently attached mag. I don't even know if it was real or some sort of sick joke. Looking at it was like watching your dog get neutered. The funny thing is that the gun was still capable of mayhem just the same... it just didn't look like it.

 

[Al LaVodka]

OMG, It Is SO Obvious!

Its the friggin' painted pot-metal and plastic Daisy .22 LR!
All you need to do is pick it up and be afraid, be very afraid.
Al

 

[FTSESQ]

don't know if it really applies but,

The Chauchat. Was allegedly the worst machine gun ever issued to a soldier.

 

[Kentucky_Rifleman]

Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine

That surprises me. I've owned a half dozen Enfield variants, all decent rifles, but my favorite of the lot was the Jungle Carbine. It was easily the most accurate of the bunch, and the little cone-shaped flash suppressor worked better than any other design I've seen yet (much to my surprise!).

Like they say, YMMV. Maybe we should modify that to EMWV - everyone's mileage will vary

KR

 

[HOWARD J]

I have an M-1 carbine converted to 9MM by Iver Johnson co.
Receiver made by Johnson---would never fire properly from day one---it used extended-
P-35 mag. What a piece of junk.

 

[palmettopatriot]

What was that rifle invented by a Scot that the Canadians used for a while that was REALLY dangerous and used to literally blow people's faces off? The name escapes me right now. I just can't remember the name of the inventor. the _something_ rifle. Anyway, it was junk.

Levi

 

[NG VI]

The Ross I believe.

 

[palmettopatriot]

Yes, the Ross. I got back on this thread because I just remembered the guy's name and saw you already replied. Thanks. He spent the rest of his life in infamy and died penniless. Kind of sad because may people who know him say he was not ill intentioned.

Levi

 

[rondog]

I loves my Enfield No.5 MK1 Jungle Carbine!

But I also have one of these, got it as a kid, and it's a genuine turd. Can't recall the name of it, it's broken now but it never would hit squat. Single-shot .22.

 

[Al LaVodka]

Dude;
What's with all the white stains on your bedspread!?

Everyone else;
This is a rifle thread and the AK is a cheap 16" pistol with a stock and forearm. There ARE longer barreled versions and they... are cheap longer barreled pistols that the po' ComBlock crowd get insanely defensive of too.

Finally, assemble you Ross straightpull correctly and you won't have any problems.

Al

 

[natman]

I loves my Enfield No.5 MK1 Jungle Carbine!

But I also have one of these, got it as a kid, and it's a genuine turd. Can't recall the name of it, it's broken now but it never would hit squat. Single-shot .22.

Garcia Bronco.

 

[Sav .250]

For me is was a Winchester 100 in 308 cal. Shot lousy and weighted a ton..
Traded it back to my brother....

 

[GunsBeerFreedom]

Wow. I'm either really lucky or haven't been buying guns long enough. I've never had a lemon of any sort. Sure, some of my Mosins aren't the best, but they shoot nice enough and work as well as I could expect (sticky bolt is the only problem).