Would you call in a CCW
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Blackbeard
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Remember, we're talking about a NO-issue state, meaning Illinois or Wisconsin, where it's a good bet that anyone carrying is carrying illegally.
For the record, I agree with the general sentiment of the responses so far. It depends on the appearance and demeanor of the subject. If they are suspect, the correct response is to call 911. No point in confronting the subject, since by law I am disarmed and he's not.
For the record, I agree with the general sentiment of the responses so far. It depends on the appearance and demeanor of the subject. If they are suspect, the correct response is to call 911. No point in confronting the subject, since by law I am disarmed and he's not.
Bigdtc
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+1 Blackbeard....I live in Md....Impossible to get a ccw here!
RealGun
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If in that quandary, I would do my best to move to another State, one a bit more American.
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Blackbeard
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Well I have the option of moving across the river to Iowa, but they're no better. I'm stuck here for a couple of years until I can change jobs.
MAURICE
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I probably look like a thug. 6'6", 300 pounds, bald head, typically dark clothing...My friends all laugh, though. People that don't know me find me intimidating. People that do know I'm just a teddy bear.
romma
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It could be one of those Fancy-Pants Alderman from Chicago that we hear about that have the privilage of carrying...
I would also have to go with the mind your own business choice. Even after considering its in a no-issue state and could probably be illegal.
Like others have said, you cant always judge someone just by looking at them. I guess if they were acting suspicious and lookedf as though they may be getting ready to rob a place or something, i *might*. But i would have to have a real strong conviction in my gut that they were up to no good. Innocent until proven guilty. Even if it is a no-issue state. If not up to no good and illegally carrying, at best in my opinion, they are just exercising their second amendment rights.
It could be a 'gangsta' up to no good or something, or it could be undercover LE, or perhaps, just perhaps... it could be a fellow THR member who is in a situation where they NEED to be armed at all times, or at least in certain areas, regardless of the law. Like so many on here seem to say, their life is more important.
Like others have said, you cant always judge someone just by looking at them. I guess if they were acting suspicious and lookedf as though they may be getting ready to rob a place or something, i *might*. But i would have to have a real strong conviction in my gut that they were up to no good. Innocent until proven guilty. Even if it is a no-issue state. If not up to no good and illegally carrying, at best in my opinion, they are just exercising their second amendment rights.
It could be a 'gangsta' up to no good or something, or it could be undercover LE, or perhaps, just perhaps... it could be a fellow THR member who is in a situation where they NEED to be armed at all times, or at least in certain areas, regardless of the law. Like so many on here seem to say, their life is more important.
poor_richard
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Does not man have a right to keep and bear arms. And, do we not have a law which says that that right shall not be infringed.
Gun owners need to stop "throwing each other under the bus".
Gun owners need to stop "throwing each other under the bus".
I mostly agree.poor_richard said:
I think the answer to this question should be a no-brainer. Unless there is substantive evidence that a person is posing the threat of death, grave bodily injury, or rape you should MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS! You are not responsible for their actions should they actually harm someone, but you are responsible for your own. Do you want to be partially responsible for potentially ruining an innocent person’s life? There are far too many people in this world who feel it necessary to obstruct others harmless pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness.
In the pursuit of the RKBA, about the only time I would advocate “throwing others under bus” would be when these other people make that decision for themselves. Think of a writer whose name rhymes w/ Dumbo. Act as my enemy and expect to be treated as my enemy.
MIL-DOT
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No.
(edit) HELL,no.
It's his constitutional right to bear arms,ain't it? :banghead:
(edit) HELL,no.
It's his constitutional right to bear arms,ain't it? :banghead:
Im283
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I find it a real shame that here among us there are antis.
is it up to you to interpret the 2A for others? Just because you would not carry does not mean others see it that way.
Mind your business , you ain't johnny law.
is it up to you to interpret the 2A for others? Just because you would not carry does not mean others see it that way.
Mind your business , you ain't johnny law.
Stevie-Ray
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I've never been in a no-issue state. Doubtful I ever will be.
kd7nqb
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None of my business. Also I would call in a CCW'r in an issue state if he/she was acting out of the norm (enough to be a hazard)
SageMonkey
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If I had some specific reason to believe the person was going to hard another, then I would discretely call it in when I felt safe doing so.
Otherwise, I don't agree with the laws intended to disarm him. Why should I help (big brother / the nanny state / whatever) lock someone in a cage when I didn't think the person was going to harm another?
Otherwise, I don't agree with the laws intended to disarm him. Why should I help (big brother / the nanny state / whatever) lock someone in a cage when I didn't think the person was going to harm another?
Sixtigers
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MYOB. It's none of yours.
I obey the laws, but I don't agree with them. The gentleman who stated that that as far he was concerned, a copy of the Constitution was his CCW license--I like that.
Maybe I can best reply to this question with another question, and think about it before you answer:
If I see a guy getting out of a 427 AC Cobra (or 1969 Stingray, or 1996 Supra Turbo, etc...) in a parking lot, should I call the police and report a possible speeder? Feel free to make it an Evil Black Cobra for purposes of this argument.
No, you wouldn't. That's ludicrous. Try to understand: I feel EXACTLY this way about gun control. Gun control punishes me for crimes that I have not committed, or will ever commit.
How is it that I can easily buy junk to make my car go over 200mph in a world where I'm limited to--at most--70mph, and yet illegal to own an EBR?
Anybody wanna compare traffic stats to EBR stats?
Maybe the VPC is concentrating on the wrong 'weapons'...
Sorry for the rant. I hate being grouped with criminals, or considered one because I believe in liberty.
I obey the laws, but I don't agree with them. The gentleman who stated that that as far he was concerned, a copy of the Constitution was his CCW license--I like that.
Maybe I can best reply to this question with another question, and think about it before you answer:
If I see a guy getting out of a 427 AC Cobra (or 1969 Stingray, or 1996 Supra Turbo, etc...) in a parking lot, should I call the police and report a possible speeder? Feel free to make it an Evil Black Cobra for purposes of this argument.
No, you wouldn't. That's ludicrous. Try to understand: I feel EXACTLY this way about gun control. Gun control punishes me for crimes that I have not committed, or will ever commit.
How is it that I can easily buy junk to make my car go over 200mph in a world where I'm limited to--at most--70mph, and yet illegal to own an EBR?
Anybody wanna compare traffic stats to EBR stats?
Maybe the VPC is concentrating on the wrong 'weapons'...
Sorry for the rant. I hate being grouped with criminals, or considered one because I believe in liberty.
Cannonball888
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I'd hate to call it in only to find out the poor guy has a pistol-shaped tumor.
wheelgunslinger
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Exactly.
I appreciate the willingness of so many to tiptoe around the legal maze of laws and such given here. But, the real question is "do you know it's a gun?"
It could be a gun shaped tumor. It could be a cap gun. It could be a CO2 pellet pistol or any number of things.
What about their 4th amendment rights?
Either side of the coin, I mind my own business.
I appreciate the willingness of so many to tiptoe around the legal maze of laws and such given here. But, the real question is "do you know it's a gun?"
It could be a gun shaped tumor. It could be a cap gun. It could be a CO2 pellet pistol or any number of things.
What about their 4th amendment rights?
Either side of the coin, I mind my own business.
Superlite27
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One of the best I've heard is "colostomy bag".
Does anyone really want to check and see if it's REALLY a colostomy bag?
An answer like that almost makes a person sorry he asked the question.
If anyone ever "makes" me and asks if that's a gun under my shirt, I've got a really embarrassing answer ready for them!
Does anyone really want to check and see if it's REALLY a colostomy bag?
An answer like that almost makes a person sorry he asked the question.
If anyone ever "makes" me and asks if that's a gun under my shirt, I've got a really embarrassing answer ready for them!
RKBABob
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Well, doesn't ANYONE carry in a non-issue state?
Seems like there would still be quite a few "special" people authorized to carry.
City Police
State Police
County Sheriff
Capitol Police
Military Police
Federal Installation Security
State AG's Office
State Bureau of Investigations
Fire Marshall's Investigator
FBI
DEA
BATFE
IRS
State Park Ranger
National Park Ranger
Game Warden
Animal Control
Armed Security Guard
ArmoredTruck Driver
If the person doesn't look like someone who'd have one of the jobs above... I'd still probably mind my own business.
The only way I'd find a reason to be concerned is if something about the person's behavior indicates they're up to no good. Are they pacing back and forth while watching a business across the street? Do they have their hood pulled up over their head in July? Did they leave their car running, and the door open while they ran into the bank?
Seems like there would still be quite a few "special" people authorized to carry.
City Police
State Police
County Sheriff
Capitol Police
Military Police
Federal Installation Security
State AG's Office
State Bureau of Investigations
Fire Marshall's Investigator
FBI
DEA
BATFE
IRS
State Park Ranger
National Park Ranger
Game Warden
Animal Control
Armed Security Guard
ArmoredTruck Driver
If the person doesn't look like someone who'd have one of the jobs above... I'd still probably mind my own business.
The only way I'd find a reason to be concerned is if something about the person's behavior indicates they're up to no good. Are they pacing back and forth while watching a business across the street? Do they have their hood pulled up over their head in July? Did they leave their car running, and the door open while they ran into the bank?
K3
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Show me where it says you can't. We can play this game all day if you like. The 2nd amendment discusses keeping and bearing. Bearing has a meaning.
Suggestion: Try thinking from the standpoint of the framers' intentions and beliefs about liberty and the role of government. It's likely to do you more good.
Thanks for saying that more politely than I could have Richard.
Given how unhappy I am with carry laws in my state and county of residence, if I see a fellow citizen has decided that, in his personal situation, the risk of being defenseless outweighs the risk of a firearms charge, it's neither my business or my duty to dime the guy.
Being a law abiding citizen myself does not make me a de facto stooge for the system and its oppressive and dangerous legislation.
As I was almost in the middle of this one
At a part time job that I gave up about a month ago.
One of the bosses was out on the street, getting ready to keep an eye on the high school kids as they get out of school for the day and flood into the shopping district.
A man dressed like a gang banger, with all the right facail tats to be a long time CON, drew attention to the pistol, in his waste band by constintly adjusting it, That boss pointed it out to the Police sargent that was there for same the reason.
If I had been two steps closer to the corner I would have ended the foot chase right there, the collision would have been unavoidable, as it was, I Just walked a couple of steps back the way I had come, and marked the can the gun was tossed into. The cops that were a block and half down the street, rounded up the con, and along with the several warrants, he went to jail on the felon posessing a firearm charge.
Would I have pointed pointed the gun out to sarge? propaby! Would I call 911? no! I would have to be to vissible for to long! and at least around here 90% of those calls are do gooders with out a CLUE!
At a part time job that I gave up about a month ago.
One of the bosses was out on the street, getting ready to keep an eye on the high school kids as they get out of school for the day and flood into the shopping district.
A man dressed like a gang banger, with all the right facail tats to be a long time CON, drew attention to the pistol, in his waste band by constintly adjusting it, That boss pointed it out to the Police sargent that was there for same the reason.
If I had been two steps closer to the corner I would have ended the foot chase right there, the collision would have been unavoidable, as it was, I Just walked a couple of steps back the way I had come, and marked the can the gun was tossed into. The cops that were a block and half down the street, rounded up the con, and along with the several warrants, he went to jail on the felon posessing a firearm charge.
Would I have pointed pointed the gun out to sarge? propaby! Would I call 911? no! I would have to be to vissible for to long! and at least around here 90% of those calls are do gooders with out a CLUE!
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