Would you rather have 15 round of 9mm, or 8 rounds of 45 in your carry gun
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Between the two, I'd take whichever one I shot best.
The 4" Springfield Armory XD45 Service is the same length as and only 3/4 taller than a Glock 19, but it provides 13 rounds of .45 ACP. So, being a bad moderator and answering outside the bounds of the original question, I might be inclined to take a 4" XD45 Service.
The 4" Springfield Armory XD45 Service is the same length as and only 3/4 taller than a Glock 19, but it provides 13 rounds of .45 ACP. So, being a bad moderator and answering outside the bounds of the original question, I might be inclined to take a 4" XD45 Service.
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15 rounds of 9mm. Actually I would still take 8 rounds of 9mm over 9 rounds of .45.
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ugaarguy you have been a bad, bad, moderator. Shame, shame on you.
A difference of 3/4" taller does not seem like much until you consider how much of a percentage increase in height it is. I am going to take a wild guess that the XD45 is also thicker than the G19 and has a heavier loaded weight. All that might make the difference for some people when it comes to how often they carry and how often their pistol is left at home. This whole what do you choose based on an arbitrary ammunition capacity is very simplistic. Choices for what you carry and when should be based on many considerations other than ammunition capacity. In some environments I feel comfortable carrying a small 9mm with only 8 rounds, in other environments I don't feel comfortable unless carrying a large 10mm with 16 rounds.
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It's a 15% increase in height; 4.99" vs 5.75". Yes, I also understand that's a quarter inch taller than even a Glock 17.
At nearly 6.35 oz heavier unloaded (30 oz vs 23.65 oz) plus the weight of much heavier .45 ACP cartridges (the bullets alone weigh 2x more on average) you'd be right. However at 1.1" thick at the widest point the XD-45 is actually 8 hundredths of an inch narrower than the Glock 19.
So, yes, the XD45 is somewhere between a Glock 19 and a Glock 17 in size, and it's heavier than both. However, it's still impressively small and light for a 13+1 round .45 ACP pistol.
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15 round 10mm......problem solved
(but I carry a PM9 or LCP 99% of the time)
(but I carry a PM9 or LCP 99% of the time)
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I'd rather have 15 rounds of 9mm because if my experience in Afghanistan means anything, for every 100 rounds fired one round hits the target... (maybe a little exaggerated but you get the point).
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Or, as Wyatt Earp said, you can't miss fast enough.
I will admit, when I go to a big city where zombies roam the streets, I'll take along my 6 shot .357 magnum and my .38 in the pocket becomes a NY reload. I prefer the power of the full power magnum to any 9 or .45 for zombies. It's the only gun I know that can kill with a miss, via burning the cloths off 'em with the muzzle blast and embarrassing 'em to death.
Around here, towns of 2500 max, there ain't many zombies. I wouldn't bother even having a CCW 'cept I kinda like carrying, same as carrying my insurance card. You just never know, even in podunk USA.MCgunner
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For thoughts on missing 100 times at a BG, should consider this statute, maybe....
From Texas penal code....
From Texas penal code....
I''ve seen the old "a 9mm HAS to expand to work but a 45 doesn't" thing way too many times. So a 9mm at .355 caliber absolutely has to expand to the magic .45 or bigger or it just won't do the trick huh? That .10" is SO critical it makes all the difference in the world does it? A heart, brain, CNS, bone, etc.......can all tell the difference? I swear too many people believe if a 9mm doesn't expand it just evaporates as soon as it touches your skin. Then on another thread a HUGE percentage of people will say they only carry ball because penetration is the only thing that matters. I've done a TON of reading on the subject and the only thing I've concluded is that there are few conclusions to make other than SHOT PLACEMENT regardless of caliber is king.
That being said, I prefer to carry my M&P 9C with 13 rounds of 9mm. I usually have a spare magazine on me and a fullsized spare in my car. I can't imagine the circumstance where I would be in any situation that I would say, "if only I had less ammo with me." I can, however, think of many scenarios where I would wish I had more than 7-8 rounds.
That being said, I prefer to carry my M&P 9C with 13 rounds of 9mm. I usually have a spare magazine on me and a fullsized spare in my car. I can't imagine the circumstance where I would be in any situation that I would say, "if only I had less ammo with me." I can, however, think of many scenarios where I would wish I had more than 7-8 rounds.
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Quote:
§ 9.05. RECKLESS INJURY OF INNOCENT THIRD PERSON. Even
though an actor is justified under this chapter in threatening or
using force or deadly force against another, if in doing so he also
recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person, the
justification afforded by this chapter is unavailable in a
prosecution for the reckless injury or killing of the innocent
third person.
MCgunner,
I think most of us understand the potential consequences from any shots we fire that do not hit what we intend. Your excerpt from the Texas Penal Code is very similar to statutes of other states. Good CCW classes incorporate instruction on the subject of your quote. Why would anyone have "thoughts on missing 100 times at a BG"?
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