Would you sell a pistol you "can't really afford to shoot"? Five Seven.

[meanmrmustard]

If you need alot of rounds on hand, those you can afford, buy a Glock 19 and 33 round magazines.

Or, an XDm with flush fit 19 round magazine.

G17 holds , well, 17.

Point is: I don't own a Five Seven, and theres a reason for that. They're neat, but neat eats alot of expensive ammo. You ain't paying nearly as much for 9,40,45,357 (mag OR sig) as you are 5.7x28mm.

I'd sell it, buy two new pistols or one really nice 1911, and enjoy the rest of the money that's left over.

 

[Big Shrek]

sell it, get a .22TCM, similar ballistic performance, way easier to reload,
and they can come with a 9mm barrel...which uses the same mag...
best of both worlds

 

[boricua9mm]

You ain't paying nearly as much for 9,40,45,357 (mag OR sig) as you are 5.7x28mm.

Here in Florida, a box of .45ACP at Wally World will run you $25 for 50 rounds. A 50-round box of .357 Magnum, for the past year at least, has been $25-$30. So, I'd argue that the price is the exact same as those particular cartridges.

The big difference is, in a Civilian capacity the .45 ACP and .357 MAG are much more useful for both personal defense and general outdoors use (camping, hiking, etc.).

 

[barnbwt]

".22TCM, similar ballistic performance"
Similar numbers, at least. The RIA is a very compelling package, fwiw, but it's not really the same gun (different controls, sights, operation, weight, etc.) so I don't think the comparisons are totally warranted apart from fun-gun criteria.

"So, I'd argue that the price is the exact same as those particular cartridges."
Right at or just under .60/rnd here in Texas, but closer to .50/rnd in large quantities (2000rnd packs). And considering the quality compared to FMJ ammo it's constantly stacked against, it's a very fair deal. I would also surmise that buying 2000rnds of 5.7 would incur significantly reduced shipping costs over 45acp (reloading components far, far more so). Reloading the round does give me the heebie-jeebies, but that's the fault of the pistol and rifle; I'm reluctant to reload any high pressure cartridge run through a blowback. But it does seem a large number of people manage to reload it without incident (the main issue is the weak case-head allows the firing pin pocket to loosen up before the neck fails, unlike most centerfire brass we're used to)

Complain to congress about why cheap FMJ 5.7x28 can't be made, because I'm pretty sure it would qualify as "legally armor piercing" if you made the skin on its projectile much thicker.

TCB

 

[Orion8472]

An interesting experience at the range this evening. I realized that I'm really not that enthused with the gun. I am going to sell it.

It didn't help that I had shot my CZ P-09 just before and made a ragged hole. Now THAT is a fantastic pistol!!!

 

[Skribs]

The .22 TCM is to the 5.7 what .38 is to .38+P.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Cost for the ammo is on par with 357 SIG, except I guess it is harder to reload. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize keeping a gun you don't like shooting due to the ammo being costly. Ask yourself if you would keep the gun if ammo was as inexpensive as 9mm? Ask yourself how likely that scenario would be.

Personally, I'd sell it and invest in an ammo plant set up. You'd have money left over for a more pedestrian gun and ammo to use in it. Oh, it'll answer your "collapse" scenario, too.

 

[Panzerschwein]

I don't reload and I absolutely hate it when someone will say "well I can load a box of 50 5.7x28mm for $3 and change" or something like that.

Some people are actually too busy in life or don't have the space or money to invest in reloading equipment, not to mention all the time it takes to search for cheap components, especially since the shortage.

That being said, since I don't reload, 5.7x28mm is too rich for my blood and it doesn't offer a single thing over 9mm Parabellum IMHO. If I was you, if you don't reload, I would personally drop it. Just a quick search on ammoseek.com shows 5.7 selling for $0.48 per round for the cheapest. 9mm Parabellum however, is selling for $0.22 per round for the cheapest.

It's a no brainer for me. I'd ditch it in a heartbeat. I think both the gun and certainly the 5.7x28mm cartridge are WAY overhyped.

 

[BYJO4]

If you are not going to shoot it, I would sell it. I decided a few years ago that I would not keep any firearm that I did not shoot on a regular basis. I am not a collector nor would I own something that I felt I could not afford to shoot.

 

[Panzerschwein]

^ +1

 

[Orion8472]

Thanks for the input, guys. I'm selling it. See post #30. It's CZs fault.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Here in Florida, a box of .45ACP at Wally World will run you $25 for 50 rounds. A 50-round box of .357 Magnum, for the past year at least, has been $25-$30. So, I'd argue that the price is the exact same as those particular cartridges.

The big difference is, in a Civilian capacity the .45 ACP and .357 MAG are much more useful for both personal defense and general outdoors use (camping, hiking, etc.).

Bummer for Florida I suppose. You overpay.

I get 230 gr ball brass cased .45, for example, for $19 AFTER tax. So, its a regional thing I imagine. I don't pay much for the big three, but glancing at 5.7 's price tag is scoff-worthy.

I agree with your statement about cartridge usefulness. .45 loaded to +p or Super velocities, or really any hp in .357 sig/mag is a fine woods cartridge.

 

[UpperAtmosphere]

I'd say keep it unless you have something more pressing to buy, possibly another gun you like more.

I have a Desert Eagle in .50AE that I rarely shoot due to cost, but I have no real urge to sell it.

 

[Orion8472]

^ In a way, that already happened. My last two recent pistol purchases were a CZ P-09 and a "Canadian Compliant" P-07 and they are fantastic shooting pistols. Of course, it goes without saying that they feel great in the hand as well.

After shooting, last night, I made the decision. The Five Seven is going. Already on gunbroker, so now the waiting game. Then at some point after, ammo sale.

 

[thefish]

Why not reload?

What makes reloading the 5.7 so complicated?
Dies are available at midway for 50 bucks.
I have no experience at all with the 5.7, but it doesn't seem like it would be any more complicated than reloading .223.

tube video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg9ok2_nM9Q

 

[george burns]

If you are worried about a collapse, you should first have a fortified bunker someware in the mountains, otherwise that pistol will do you no good if there were bands of roving crazy's with rifles. So the whole idea of keeping it for that reason is not valid. I would sell it and get something I enjoyed shooting, maybe an AR or AK pistol and a 1911.

 

[meanmrmustard]

^ In a way, that already happened. My last two recent pistol purchases were a CZ P-09 and a "Canadian Compliant" P-07 and they are fantastic shooting pistols. Of course, it goes without saying that they feel great in the hand as well.

After shooting, last night, I made the decision. The Five Seven is going. Already on gunbroker, so now the waiting game. Then at some point after, ammo sale.

I'd have sold ammo first.

 

[mavracer]

I'd have sold ammo first.

I wouldn't ammo will sell fast, the gun might not, plus being able to throw in ammo at a good price might make the pistol sell easier.

 

[GBExpat]

What makes reloading the 5.7 so complicated?

One of the members here, Trent, ventured into the complexities of reloading the 5.7 and shared his experiences with us here. IIRC, that was just this past February.

If you are interested, use the Search function and see if you can find the Thread. As I recall, the Thread ground to a halt as he was awaiting some response from RCBS(?) regarding a component (or something like that).

 

[Orion8472]

mavracer has my idea. If I have issues selling the gun, I may "sweeten the deal" with a box or two.


To elaborate on the idea of a "collapse", that was only a small part of the decision. I doubt a "collapse" will happen and if it did, I'd do my part to NEVER get into a firefight anyway. It would sorely suck if that came to pass.

 

[aarondhgraham]

If I was in need of the money I would,,,

If I was in need of the money I would,,,
But if I wasn't hurting for cash I would keep it,,,
Guns can live in my safe for years and not cost me a penny.

I feel this way about Jezebel, my S&W 629,,,
At about $5.00 a cylinder, I don't shoot her very often,,,
But she costs me nothing to keep so she remains the Queen of the Harem.

• Jezebel - Model 629
• Brighid - Model 686
• Morgana - Model 67
• Lilith - Model 63

But if I ever had to start selling things off,,,
She would sadly be the first to go,,,
For the very reason you state.

Aarond

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[Orion8472]

Aarond, I actually will need the money in the near future, so I'm good with selling it.

BTW, I like the names you gave for your revolvers.

 

[WestKentucky]

Apparently not, I have 2 .44mags and a .256winmag rifle.

 

[Skribs]

I was wondering the same about 5.7 vs .223. There are a lot of Trents on this board, but I found the thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=739404

Appears the big problems are:
Lube required for factory cases are hard to clean without stripping the lube
Sizing consistency
Small powder charges mean you need more precise powder supply (and other issues related to the smaller size). Remember, this is a lot less energy and a smaller bullet than the .223
Factory rounds are glued in, and there is no replicated solution for civilian reloaders
Blowback vs. Gas operation means much tighter tolerances for safety reasons

Personally, I don't handload, but after reading Trent's post, I can understand why the 5.7 hasn't caught on.
Load book errata

 

[GBExpat]

Ayup, that is the Thread to which I was referring.