Wow... just Wow

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I enjoy going back for a visit every now and then.
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You... enjoy... going to... 'Frisco? :confused:

To each his own, I guess. Have you been drinking? :scrutiny:

I got stuck in a traffic jam in SF last year with the wife and kid, looked out the window and was blinded by the glare off a very greasy pair of buttcheeks in assless chaps walking down the street. :what:

If you tried to wear something like that most other public places you'd be arrested for indecent exposure.

I also read recently that SF has opened a needle clinic where junkies can go shoot up under a nurse's supervision. I'm sure the people who came up with this idea meant well, but, well... I'm just not sure what to say about that.

I stay out of that place whenever possible. The food is good though.
 
best burritos in the world

the food there is truly superb, if you don't like traffic jams get a motorcycle and lane split like the other smart folks, motorcycle heaven along the west coast.
great two lane twisties all over the place.

In SF proper the cops are pretty cool. Especially the old timers.
They could tell the guy was to much of a wimp to fight for his castle, if home owner doesn't care why should they?

I pack every time I go, one SF cop I know said "if you ever have to shoot some blank blank just leave and take your brass"

SFPD treat good people fairly and treat entitled jerks like entitled jerks.

In this particular case the cops didn't like homeowner, if you start off with "heated words" you aint gonna get co operation.
 
i was with a small group at the corner of Haight/Ashbury, granted this was 12 years ago when things were a bit worse crimewise, but a jerk grabbed my backpack, i chased, holding on to it- screaming for help, somebody leans out a window and says
"just give him the bag"
gee, thanks.

i convinced idiot there was no money in the bag, threw eight dollars at him from my front pocket, and he ran off.
(bag actually had $100 cash and $100 money order in it)

screaming, yelling, carrying on for a good five minutes, but only 9 am so no real street traffic and no cops.

i came upon a guy in the tenderloin hood who had been shot in the hip (grazed)
cops hadn't been called, shooters driven away.
i got him some neo sporin and bandages.

yep, SF (entire bay area) cops seem to do as little as possible when it comes to actually tracking down violent offenders
 
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Zoogster,

Unless the American/English system has been swapped for the Napoleonic legal system when I wasn't looking, it's innocent until proven guilty not Guilty until proven innocent.....

How the politically motivated prosecuters act is a different story......
 
Ehrlich denied, however, that the officer had told Burnette that nothing would come of arresting the guy.

"These were experienced and professional cops," the captain said. "They wouldn't say something like that."
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Ive filed charges of harassment on our next-door neighbor, who threatened us, and the police have told me exactly that.
 
So for all the people that said they'd shoot anyone that kicked into their front door/collapse their skull/other manly thing I have to ask, what do you think this news story would be if you did get to do what you claim you would and shot this man? I'm inclined to believe you wouldn't be sitting in front of your computer to tell the story. While the situation is without a doubt messed up, it doesn't seem like shooting the guy would have been wise.
 
While the situation is without a doubt messed up, it doesn't seem like shooting the guy would have been wise.
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Please explain why shooting a home intruder is not wise?

You can't possibly know the intentions of everyone that kicks in your front door. Are you suggesting stopping to ask?

Put yourself in this situation BEFORE the story is known.

New Years Eve, 1am, unknown man kicks in your back door.

You are gonna politely ask him if he'd like some tea?

Instead, the minutes just kept ticking by, with the guy refusing to leave.
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Even at this point you're still justified in using some level of force, if you've waited til now.

"I'm being chased," the Studded One announced.
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And still. You don't know that he's not being chased by the cops for shooting his mom in the street. You don't know anything other than he's committed a felony before your very eyes by kicking in your door and entering.
 
Yet another reason why cops are only good for insurance reporting purposes anymore. 911 is a complete junk show. That guy is lucky he did not attempt to seek "refuge" in my apartment.

You are gonna politely ask him if he'd like some tea?
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I would politely give him a chest full of buckshot... before tea time. I personally don't care much for excuses... breaking into someones home is always justification to open fire.

So for all the people that said they'd shoot anyone that kicked into their front door/collapse their skull/other manly thing I have to ask, what do you think this news story would be if you did get to do what you claim you would and shot this man? I'm inclined to believe you wouldn't be sitting in front of your computer to tell the story. While the situation is without a doubt messed up, it doesn't seem like shooting the guy would have been wise.
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Even the worst attorney could easily get you out of this one. If you can't shoot when someone kicks in you door in the middle of the night, when can you?
 
"So for all the people that said they'd shoot anyone that kicked into their front door/collapse their skull/other manly thing I have to ask, what do you think this news story would be if you did get to do what you claim you would and shot this man?"

Women shoots Intruder on New Years Eve. story to follow.

yep. thats about right.
 
So for all the people that said they'd shoot anyone that kicked into their front door/collapse their skull/other manly thing I have to ask, what do you think this news story would be if you did get to do what you claim you would and shot this man? I'm inclined to believe you wouldn't be sitting in front of your computer to tell the story. While the situation is without a doubt messed up, it doesn't seem like shooting the guy would have been wise.
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This is a joke.....right?
 
Please explain why shooting a home intruder is not wise?
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To each his own but I'd rather not deal with any of the potential reprocussions of a dead man on my living room floor unless I have absolutely no other choice. I realize that many people don't look at things like "when do I have to shoot" but instead take the "when do I get to shoot" path.

New Years Eve, 1am, unknown man kicks in your back door.
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No doubt it would be scary as hell but if the person was standing there not making any agressive movements and not visibly armed I would likely assume its a dumb drunk person. I would like to have a gun to protect myself just in case I was wrong or his mood changes but I'd rather not shoot someone unless I had absolutely no other choice.

You are gonna politely ask him if he'd like some tea?
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It seems like you're trying to be ridiculous. Police across the country use their guns to protect themselves every day without firing a shot. The man was in their house and didn't attack anyone. Why couldn't you just keep him at the same distance across the room with a gun pointed at him until the police arrive? If he comes at you aggressively and you feel like your life is threatened, use your gun. If he's standing there and refusing to leave I'd rather the police just take him away without holes and not have to worry about the things that come with shooting someone. Why does it have to be an absolute "if someone is in my house, I'm shooting them?" It reminds me of the "if you draw your concealed weapon you have to shoot" discussions. Can't we analyze the situation and only shoot people that are threatening us? A unarmed guy across the room from me in the kitchen on the other end of my rifle barrel refusing to leave doesn't sound like a must shoot situation to me.

Even the worst attorney could easily get you out of this one.
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Horray I can spend my life savings on an attorney but at least I got to shoot someone.
 
not making any agressive movements
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I just don't see how kicking in the door of a house that is not yours is NOT aggressive just on its own.

Certainly if you hesitate long enough to decide that the guy is no threat then you shouldn't go looking for your gun just to shoot but the problem is in most circumstances like this you would be dead before you got to decide whether there was a danger.

Most home invasions seem to be followed by violence towards the people there, or maybe the reports of home invaders just wanting to sit for a while go unreported?

You're suggesting that time be given to the home invader for him to decide what to do next, and then you'd react. With my families life on the line I just don't see how anyone can be that generous.
 
Certainly if you hesitate long enough to decide that the guy is no threat then you shouldn't go looking for your gun just to shoot but the problem is in most circumstances like this you would be dead before you got to decide whether there was a danger.
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I'm really suggesting that for most people asleep in bed with someone kicking in their front door, that the home invader will likely already be in their house doing whatever it is he plans on doing before they can get to him and confront him. More of us here probably have better secured homes than that but your average apartment? I'd bet that guy could have been in the kitchen making toast before the renter heard a noise, figured out what was going, got out of bed and made it to the door. I just don't see this as a confrontation right at door for most apartments.
 
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15044121/detail.html
Man Shot, Killed After Entering Wrong Apartment

HUNTSVILLE, Ala. -- Police said a Huntsville man who mistakenly entered the wrong apartment was shot to death early Sunday. Wendell Johnson, a police spokesman, said 34-year-old Gary Lee McCarty allegedly was drinking and locked himself out his apartment. Johnson said a preliminary investigation indicated McCarty tried to crawl through a back window and was shot by a resident who thought the man was a burglar. The shooting occurred just after midnight on Webster Drive. The unnamed resident was not charged, but Johnson said the case could be presented to a grand jury by the Madison County D.A.'s office.

So there's another out come with shots fired. We'll have to wait a while and see if the shooter is going to have any complications from this. If it were me I know I'd rather not be wondering about the future and had it all done that night when the police hauled him off quite alive and drunk to jail.
 
As a LEO I am the first to say you are on your own as far as self defense goes. My squad of eight covers 55 square miles of north Phoenix. I have gone to calls lights and sirens at a good clip and its taken me 15-20 minutes to get there.

I also like to tell people the truth. If you left your shed unlocked and you came home after a camping trip, found all your tools missing, have no witnesses, no fingerprints and no serial numbers?? Its gone man.
 
I realize that many people don't look at things like "when do I have to shoot" but instead take the "when do I get to shoot" path.
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Though I don't particularly agree with everything you have said on this post, I think there is some truth to this. I believe that humans are bloodthirsty by nature... just look at what we observe for "entertainment". Weather we choose to abide by laws or not does not matter in this case. I think it is safe to say that most folks are of the school that thinks "when do I get to shoot". There would be a lot more shooting going on if there were no legal boundaries (I am not referring to urban-liberal gun control laws). Anyone remember the old west? I don't, but I assume that there were lots of gunfights since you didn't go to prison for drawing a gun.

On a more modern page in time, I know some nice "law abiding" folks that joined the Marine Corps so they could legally kill people. They wanted to get sent to the sandbox and play real-life "Socom". Obviously, this blood hunger varies from one person to another, but it is entrenched in virtually all of us. It is in our DNA.

I would not be surprised if many of us on this forum would find joy in the opportunity to paint our walls with the cranial fragments of a would-be home intruder... as long as it is legal... right? Am I way off here?
 
We have no more room in our prison system, and most cops know that the perp is going to get out before they are done with the paperwork. We as a society are in trouble, we need to outsourse the remainder of our Prison system to private companys who manage thier spending better than the Govt does. The problem is that the govt never sees a problem untill it's too late. They usually come up with an idea like,' let's let some prisoners out, so we can make more room', duh. Also mandatory sentencing wasn't designed to warehouse, hundreds of thousands of people for smoking pot, or stealing a candy bar, and the only reason this is happening, is because you can't get laws revised in our country, it's like a big ship that takes to long to turn, before hitting the ice. The mandatory sentencing laws should apply to violent offenders, and how come they keep showing us that when one of these serial killers or child molestors, had been arrested 35 times. Why the hell is a guy like that still walking around. Maybe we can send them all to Mexico, or France, oops I think we like French this month, well you guys got me on a rant again.
 
in that situation i would not have intentionally let him get any further into the apartment. if my door is ever kicked in i'll be grabbing my gun and taking immediate defensive action until or unless i hear law enforcement/ see their lights or whatever. i don't live in my hometown anymore, no one beating on my door means me well. this guy who was entered seemed to be totally unprepared and unable to take care of himself or his wife.
 
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