You are the prof; an adult college student is printing. What do you do?

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One one hand I'm pro gun. On the other hand I could potentially lose my employment by breaking a law.

I say the venue to change existing laws is not in the field. I agree with and have already made the point that teachers should be allowed to carry. That does not mean I'm carrying during my next class.

bsf said: I know “victim disarmament” zones are stupid, but that is not what this is about.
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Correctamundo. Change the laws, don't selectively abide by only the ones you agree with. The term for that is "criminal behavior".

Yes, I'm a college professor.
 
The list of charges that could be brought against both the student and the professor are extensive.
 
I'd say absolutley nothing unless I thought he was a threat to himself or others.
Those laws against CC are unconstitutional and therefore illegal, and I would not consider it my duty to taddle.
 
Tell him that his "cellphone" is about to come out from under his shirt. If he tells you about the gun, kindly inform him about state law. If he prints again and again, he's doing it on purpose. Call the authorities, he's posing a threat.

If you were allowed to carry too, I'd say, "eh, who cares", but because you are not, you MUST take precautions. The student could be an actual threat.

While not every person with a gun is a badguy, not everyone is a goodguy either.
 
Be sure it is a gun printing before you act. A Fireman may have any number of pager/phone/safety related devices on himself to be prepared to act as a first responder.
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The fireman already put the professor on notice that if there was a bulge, it would be a gun. At that point, the professor is put in the position of having to assume the bulge is a gun because the fireman told him that it would be a gun. If he then believes the fireman is carrying a gun and he is duty bound to report it or other felonies on campus (which may or may not be the case depending on the conditions of his employment), then failure to do so could result in his termination. It isn't the prof's fault the fireman student put him in the position he did by informing the prof that he may be committing a felony in class in the near future.
 
I'm OK with being around responsible, reasonbly intelligent adults who are packing. But I have to question the judgement of someone who isn't smart enough to shut his mouth about the fact that he's carrying, and who is also prone to "forgetting" to disarm when he's supposed to.
 
Doing something that is "wrong" and doing something that is "illegal" are, unfortunately, often two different things in this mixed up society we live in.

imho....he's done nothing "wrong"....though he has done something unwise (brag about carrying) and may be doing something illegal (carrying on campus).

I fully accepted the code "a _______does not lie cheat or steal, nor tolerate those who do" back in the day.

If he hasn't lied, cheated or stolen....I'd leave him alone....accept to note in conversation that I never tell people about my concealed status (because it then ceases to be concealed).

a thought provoking question to ask yourself might be....what do I do when I see a student exceed the speed limit on campus.

My Dad worked in downtown Detroit during the race riots....where the rioters would set fires and then shoot at the firemen when they showed up.

I don't fault the guy one bit for carrying on campus.
 
Sticky situation

On one hand, the professor has a responsibility to the other students. On the other hand, he already knows the guy who is a firefighter and thus very important and respected member of the community who has a clean background and is being a straight shooter (pardon the pun).

If I did not know the man, and it was prohibited,and I was reasonably certain it was a gun, I would play it by ear, and if I thought it was a threat, I would contact campus police/safety.

But in the above situation, I would probably give the guy the benefit of the doubt and remind him to keep his "cellphone" put away while in the classroom.

My reasoning is that a) many campuses are as dangerous as the ganglands that they sit in the middle of. b) The guy is honorable... c) The student will be expelled from school, fired from his job and possibly never work again and have all that debt to repay, spend time in jail-it would ruin his entire life before it really even got started. d) Many students are LEOs and I am used to lots of students packing. e) treat others the way you would want to be treated.

Of course this is armchair speculation.

Shooter429
 
Tough call. Probably depends on

A) The likelihood of him getting caught, and
B) What would happen to you if he got caught and the administration found out you knew and/or encouraged it.

I'd probably discreetly mention, hypothetically, that if anyone was carrying in my classroom I wouldn't want to know about it. Wink wink. Incidentally mention a good source for CCW holsters for when he's not on campus.

Colleges do still teach the power of civil disobedience for social change, don't they?
 
1) you know (or are sure that) the student is licensed to carry;
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Remind him of the permit's limitations on School campus and NOT in class rooms.
2) you do not know whether the student is licensed, but he has given you no reason to see him as anything other than a good citizen who happens to be armed;
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Ask him if he has a permit. If yes remind him of the permit's limitations and ask him not to bring to class.
3) you do not know whether the student carrying legally, but he has projected an attitude that causes you suspect that he is not licensable;
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Notify Campus Police
4) you know the student is not licensable.
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Notify Campus Police
 
"If that's a pistol, not saying that it is, you need to do a better job with concealment."


Covers all 4.

Just because you think he's not legal, doesn't mean he isn't.
 
But I have to question the judgement of someone who isn't smart enough to shut his mouth about the fact that he's carrying, and who is also prone to "forgetting" to disarm when he's supposed to.
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One of Michigan's judges was recently picked up at the airport for having a gun in her purse, she forgot it was there. She sits in judgement of others literally.

I would remind the 'adult student' that he's not very responsible and will eventually lose his CPL with his attitude towards guns and the law.
 
As a college student, it would really suck to have a trusted professor (sounds like mentor) turn you in. However, he is REALLY unwise to do what he has done. I wouldn't turn him in, but I wouldn't let it go either. I would hold him after class and tell him in all seriousness that you were put in a position you don't want to be in, he is not to carry in your class and you understand if he leaves unexpectantly because he forgot to "undress." Other than that urge him to never talk about carrying when he is. If he's as stand up as I imagine a CHL fire fighter to be he wouldn't turn you in anyway.
Like others have said, though, judgement call.
I would love my teachers and all students to be able to carry, but disobeying the law in schools is not where to start a change.
 
One of Michigan's judges was recently picked up at the airport for having a gun in her purse, she forgot it was there. She sits in judgement of others literally.
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I always wonder about people who are able to simply "forget" things like that. Kind of like parents who don't drop their toddlers off at day care on the way to work because they "forgot" that the child was in the backseat, and the child ends up dying in the car as it sits all day in the hot sun in their office parking lot.

OK, maybe forgetting you have your gun on you isn't quite that extreme, but it's similar in nature. You have a deadly weapon that you carry in order to defend your or someone else's life. How can you NOT be cognizent of whether or not you have it with you?
 
I would quietly advise a better carry solution and leave it at that.

been plenty of school shootings and one student like that could have cut VT short and saved lives.
 
Well, George . . .

George, I'm glad we never had this conversation.

I'm glad you won't be having it with anyone else, too.

You're good people, George, and I'd hate to have some goofball mess up your life by getting hysterical over what they think is a gun.

Don't set yourself up for that.

I hate losing good people.
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I would not be a part of enforcing an illegal and unconstitutional law. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand. Harris, Klybold, and Cho didn't care about printing. Helping disarm the guy is violating his civil rights. There is a difference between what is law and what is right. I would rather do what is right.
 
I can barely believe my eyes. Hope and pray nothing goes "south", because if it does, the student and the prof will be sitting in jail. If we don't like a law, seek to change it. In closing, Michigan allows for an "Exempt" status to the pistol free zones...get it and be in legal compliance.

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