Bad incident at college; what should I do?

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While they can't just open your bag they can transport it to the office to secure it until police get there.

High school's totally different from college. In Virginia, for instance, you can't legally have a firearm on school property (unless you're a cop or are sitting in your car to pick up your child and have a CHP). Colleges are treated as private property: they can ask you to leave, and you suffer a trespassing charge if you fail to do so, but firearms are legal to have. Also, like private property, the owner/administrator can't take your stuff.

Thus, as long as you're 21 and have a permit, it seems to me that the police wouldn't have any grounds for searching you and the administration couldn't do so no matter how likely they believed it to be that you're carrying.
 
kryptonite bike lock works for an undercover weapon be careful if you hit someone you don't want severly hurt
 
Near the end of my time in college, I skipped class frequently. Some classes do not really require attendance to learn the course material.

ETA
I point this out not to fill you in on my educational history but to suggest one option.
 
I hate to sound belligerent, but my college has yet another screwed up policy, which is thus: It matters not that you paid for the course; if you don't appear for class at least 75% of the time, you are dropped from the course. Not an option, I'm afraid, though 'tis tempting.
 
looks like your in FL

my understanding is that it is a felony to carry on campus in FL.
So I would not do it.
If I was in VA I would, its a trespass ticket.
 
bloodedsky said:
I hate to sound belligerent, but my college has yet another screwed up policy, which is thus: It matters not that you paid for the course; if you don't appear for class at least 75% of the time, you are dropped from the course. Not an option, I'm afraid, though 'tis tempting.
That policy sucks. Good luck.
 
Way I see it, you've got several potentially favorable options:

1) stop going to classes and notify the administration as to your intent, until the situation is remedied to allow you to protect yourself. Maybe, in the light of said situation and recent situations elsewhere resulting in a high body count, you could attempt signing petitions. (If campus CCW wouldn't even be a possibility, seriously consider tranfervering to a different school, if you can.)
2) Consider purchasing a Taser or similar projectile weapon. It is a "non-lethal" weapon and they are often (as far as I know) suggested to women as a means of self-defense (or, at least, they used to be), and would less likely to be
3) A a protective/"bulletproof" vest costs several hundred dollars $450 or so for IIIA concealable, I think), which is likely what you're paying for books (or would be, in a Humanities major where there's a lot of fluff reading) each semester and will last you until the end of your education career, if that's such a concern. You can also can older, though likely at least marginally effective, kevlar panels to line things like, oh, backpacks. Take a look.
4) A college student on a college campus has an ideal method of concealed carry with him at all times: his backpack. When I was on a college campus, I didn't go anywhere without my bag - and it very rarely had course books in it unless I was on a study date. :p Additionally, something cheap (yet still effective) like a S&W Sigma would fit nicely in this sling bag with easy-access conceal carry pockets and a hydration pack pocket.

If preservation is just your thing and you don't want to make waves, don't. There are millions of people who go through life completely un-noticed. Doing so is not all that difficult, even if you're carrying a weapon. There are many people - the criminally minded and lawful abiding citizens - who carry weapons daily on college campuses and go completely (or at least mostly) unnoticed. (I, and several others I know IRL, have done so. I'd not have known that they did, if they had not told/shown me.)

Oh yeah, and it's just college. There are other things in this world you can do aside from work a "college graduate job" - and not all of them suck or pay poorly, I'm told - and there would be nothing, as near as I can tell, that would prevent you from attending another school elsewhere.

[strike]If you have a ccw permit, and depending on what state you live in and wha tthe law is in regards to CCW on a college campus,[/strike] there is always the option of just deciding that you are willing to risk expulsion and carry for your safey anyways.

Fixed it for you. There is always the option - period. Yes, it may be foolish in one regard (ie, the law or local social policy says "don't do it"), but if you weigh the benefits for your safety and come out short under their guidelines, you are responsible to both yourself and God to do as you must.

You know, that whole "self determination" thing. (People making arguments to the contrary scary me, because I realize that it's only a few steps between "you must stay within the law" and "we're supposed to start shoveling Jews into ovens, come help".)
 
my understanding is that it is a felony to carry on campus in FL.
So I would not do it. If I was in VA I would, its a trespass ticket.

If you have a concealed weapons license the charge would be a second degree misdemeanor, otherwise the above is right it's a felony.

Here is the law:

. any school administration building;
· any elementary or secondary school facility;
· any area vocationaltechnical
center;
· any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such
college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal
electric weapon or device designed solely for
defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
 
Here's a direct quote of the statutes (790.06) from Florida. Looks like IF you have a CCW you are OK to carry a stun gun or pepper spray but that's it.

Florida Statutes 790.06 said:
(12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
 
High school's totally different from college. In Virginia, for instance, you can't legally have a firearm on school property (unless you're a cop or are sitting in your car to pick up your child and have a CHP). Colleges are treated as private property: they can ask you to leave, and you suffer a trespassing charge if you fail to do so, but firearms are legal to have. Also, like private property, the owner/administrator can't take your stuff.

Additionally, citizens cannot legally conceal a firearm under a CCW permit on VCU's campus.
 
just get a sub compact, put it in a zipper pouch on your back pack that has hardened edges(so they can not feel the contents of said pouch) and be done with it.
**** school policy, and if the law says you cant defend your self...well that is a choice you will need to make. would you rather be dead or in legal trouble?
 
I cannot thank all of you enough for your valuable and unique input. To me, this is a serious situation and you all responded as such.

It's good to be able to get advice on forums like this. A round for everyone!
 
You'd be astounded the distraction you can create with a small "dust type" fire extinguisher and a fistfull of marbles. (and NO, I'm not joking).
 
Hold on: FL is different from VA, and that changes things entirely.

If you're risking a felony charge, think very hard about the decisions you make. Most importantly, keep your mouth shut. No matter what, though, you need to do a completely honest risk assessment, followed be a cost-benefit analysis. Remember that if you leave your bag somewhere, it might get opened and examined (whether to find out the owner or to check for loot).

I have to imagine that a bulletproof vest is going to stand out in Florida. Even in a backpack, it may not be worth the extra weight: whether you're trying to get away or rush the guy, it'll slow you down.

Pester the administration, consider your options, talk to your professors, and keep your head down. It may not be a perfect solution, but if you can get them to station armed guards in your building, it may be a start.

If you're feeling ornery, you could walk around with an empty holster, too.
 
Here's another 2 cents:

I've been thinking about this recently, too. Something that came to my mind if you want to be a little more proactive regarding protecting yourself, steel ballistic plates are $110 and about 9 pounds. 10 X 12 X 0.25 inches in size, they would likely fit inside most backpacks and would give you something to protect yourself with. Having it in your pack it would be easy to carry, and nobody would be the wiser.

Go ahead and flame me if you want, but these days I'm seriously considering it.
LMAO!!! Have fun carrying a 9lb plate along with your text books. The level of paranoia on gun boards is hysterical. Everything from this post, to burying bug out bags of ammo, firearms, MREs and mapping them out.
 
I, too, find it funny, even as I research prices and the best locations to buy these things.

Honestly, I think our society is degenerating slowly into a scary sort of B-level soap opera.

Still, the humor is there. It does make me laugh out loud when I think about it.
 
I carry half of an old front and back type 2 body armour rig from working as a money courier. I also have the twin shot Kimber pepper foam launcher, and a back up spyderco detective in my backpack. I can use these to get back to my car to retrieve my weapon. If you dont have these a friend of mine always takes a metal bat everywhere, he is on the baseball team and loves to swing away.
Sometimes you have to make due with what you have.
 
During my last stint at college, I was faced with this sort of situation on a regular basis. (I was an RA at a Sophmore-approved apartment complex) I was not allowed to carry any weapons, but I did carry a 4 D-cell Maglight. SInce I went through some dark places on my rounds both inside and outside the building, no one thought otherwise about it. The flashlight served to light up a few drunks who thought to urinate on the side of the buildings. Funny how fast the streams dried up.

Anyway, a 4 D-cell maglight will do very well as a weapon in a tight situation. I had to fend off three very drunk individuals who did not like being told not to smash the glass in the hall doors. The trick is to remember to jab as well as swing. A hard punch to the solar plexus will incapacitate many drunks, and a flashlight to the nose will cause many to reconsider their evil ways.;)
 
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