You can check my backpack as soon as I see your warrant.

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You can check my backpack as soon as I see your warrant, and the warrant must specify my backpack particularly, and what it is that you are searching for, because the Fourth Amendment provides that I have a right to be secure in my person and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, requiring probable cause that I am carrying something illegal. Additionally, said probable cause must be supported by oath or affirmation in the form of a warrant particularly describing my backpack (i.e., the place to be searched) and the things to be seized should they be found inside.
 
Sigh....where do we draw the line in a free society when goblins are afoot?

You can search my backpack for explosives, but everything else I get a free pass? That sounds fair to me.
 
Then I can't let you into the subway station.
Last I checked, subway stations were open to the general public. If you have probable cause to believe that I'm a subway bomber, then arrest me. Bombing subways is a crime, and you can get arrested for it if there is probable cause. Random searching is out, however, under our system of government. Although, I guess you could outlaw the carrying of packages of all types onto the subways, if you feel they sufficiently constitute a public safety hazard.
 
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You can't search my coffee can unless you have a warrent either!
 
If they can search anyone in a subway station, then they can easily get away with searching anyone on any public road, which means they can basically search anyone, anywhere.
 
If they can search anyone in a subway station, then they can easily get away with searching anyone on any public road, which means they can basically search anyone, anywhere.

"Sobriety checkpoints", "Seat belt checkpoints", etc. for vehicles.

If I'm not mistaken, officers are given fairly generous terms in which they can Terry frisk/search/whatever. If they think you might have a weapon, they can feel ya up. Of course, if other contraband was turned up during the search... Heh. Oh yes, and if an officer has "probable cause" that you acquired something illegally, he can mug you for it and you'd have to sue to get it back, proving your innocence. Will every officer wantonly search and mug citizens on a whim? Of course not.

Basically, too late. They CAN basically search you in public if they really wanted to, and legally mug you under certain circumstances. Inside your house, you have a lot more protection. Sorta. But all and all, it's much worse than you think. :D


Perhaps next week, we will dive into the lovely world of "search and seizure". Here's a teaser. They just need probable cause to steal anything not nailed down, and then you must prove that you aquired it legally by filing a lawsuit with a third party claim. On average, such lawsuits cost circa $10,000 and take around three years. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

The more you learn how things really are, the more depressing it really is.
 
Last I checked, subway stations were open to the general public.
So are airports and commercial airlines. If you want to use one, you get searched.

And yes, I think both cases are violations of the US Constitution.
 
If I'm not mistaken, officers are given fairly generous terms in which they can Terry frisk/search/whatever. If they think you might have a weapon, they can feel ya up.
Being a gentleman of the old school, I'd have to challenge him to a saber duel in that case. :) Off comes the gauntlet, slap!!
 
They have. We played right into their plans, just like they wanted us to. It's ridiculous, gun control probably kills more people than terrorism. :banghead:
 
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Last I checked, subway stations were open to the general public.


So are airports and commercial airlines. If you want to use one, you get searched.
Airlines are private businesses doing business as common carriers.

Subways are publicly-owned and financed by local government (ala taxes).

The airlines are absolutely allowed and entitled to search you and deny you boarding for a number of reasons. However, the federal government, in the form of the TSA, should not be responsible for the screening as that is a use of public monies to secure private companies.
 
The authorities got some of what they wanted with searches with the "War on Drugs". Unfortunately, the "War on Drugs" - while a good horse - was not a horse that would get them to the finish line of a totalitarian state. Then, along came "War on Terror" - and this is the horse they can put all their money on. It's a winner, a big winner and they're going to ride it all the way.
 
To have to temporarily enable some additional scrutiny, imho, is only acceptable if we are willing to play by the adversary's rules anywhere and everywhere in the world; by bringing a higher level of terror to them than they bring to us and sustain it!

It's called the will to get the job done; to win the war. In case any Lefty is listening, that's the lesson of Vietnam!! Someone once said that to give up freedom to gain safety, deserves neither. I concur. We don't need to give up freedom to gain safety. We need leaders who are willing to loose the dogs. By that I do not mean indiscriminate warfare. I mean concentrated devastation to those who wage war against our way of life. We know who they are! They are the Wahabbist sect of Islamic Fascists. We know who they are and where they are, but lack the will to root them out. Who is going to stop us. Heavens, the rest of the world is frightened to death of them. If we have to frighten some Old World Socialists (and worse) to prove we have no particular designs on empire (again) then so be it! We need to come to understand that the rules we live by as civilized Westerners are being used against us by these creatures. We need to come to understand that the rules that we use to play with each other do not extend to them, period.

My God, the left is vilifying the British police because they have killed an innocent man who ran from them. But what about all the other multiple hundreds (and thousands) of injured and dead innocents butchered by the the goblins?
Somehow they have been forgotten because the goodguys may have made a mistake? Once? Somehow I have a problem grasping the 2nd is somehow worse than the first and deserves the outcry. In war, innocents die. Sad but true. That is not to condone or desire that to happen, but it will. The difference between us and the goblins is we do not seek to do that and they frankly do not give a rat's behind, they believe to kill innocents is the proper way.

Our enemies, the religious fanatical feudal tribalists, need to have impressed upon them that we will root them out where ever they are, and that we are armed and ready to take them on and then do so. An armed citizenry, every adult, would be the first step. The second step is to close every Wahabbist Mosque, burn it down and arrest and detain everyone affiliated with that horrible sect of villains. I suggest we turn them over to Castro and repay the debt we owe him from Marrielle.

I, for one, am getting a little sick of the pussyfooting that is going on. We are either in, or out. Take your choice. If we're out, then we might as well kneel down in allegiance to their bootheel. The closest I've heard anyone call a spade a spade, is from the leader of Australia and he's a gun grabber for land sake.
I'm sick of bitching, and probably highjacking the thread. (sorry) rant over. :banghead:
 
man how glad am i i read this site.

i was all set to accept the "i cant let you in"

but true, this is a Public system, comparable to being on a public street.

ARGH! yep, solution, no packages. then on to no heavy coats.

Someone once said that to give up freedom to gain safety, deserves neither. I concur. We don't need to give up freedom to gain safety.

yes!

i cant agree with everything you say, but most of it , and particularly that^^

The authorities got some of what they wanted with searches with the "War on Drugs". Unfortunately, the "War on Drugs" - while a good horse - was not a horse that would get them to the finish line of a totalitarian state. Then, along came "War on Terror" - and this is the horse they can put all their money on. It's a winner, a big winner and they're going to ride it all the way.

exactly. and in the end, this war on terror is aiming to blame drugs as well, and who's the war on terror going to net more of?

it's all very frustrating.
 
So what is your counter suggestion? Do you think searches are useless?

That may be but if they are useful - should we not do them and just let bombers have access to soft targets.

Schools are paid for by taxes but you just can't take a stroll through the middle school when you feel like it.
 
The terrorists have won. Allah Akbar!
Amen to that!!

All the public debate centers on whether profiling is appropriate and on why we haven't started these searches sooner. Almost nobody is interested in the morality of random, causeless searches.

Fewer still are the people who realize that the terrorists have now maneuvered us into a place where we are clamoring to throw away the Bill of Rights. It does my heart good to see that some others have realized this as well.

The Founders stood up for their rights in the face of the world's largest superpower. Yet now we're being intimidated by the mere thought that terrorists might want to bomb a subway. What sorry, spineless cowards we are. :(
 
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