Chalk one up for freedom: NYC Sued Over Police Subway Bag Searches
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longeyes
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"I'm taking Longeyes quote a little out of context. Sorry Long but your statement does prove you've been at this cop thing for a long time."
I'm not an LEO, nor do I play one on TV. I don't even approve of the subway searches. It is sad that it has come to this.
My point was that a flight from "profiling" is part of the Left's strategy to discredit any form of reason or even common sense and replace it with politically correct, agenda-serving actions that decrease freedom without increasing security. (I consider all "diversity" programs to fall under this rubric, by the way, substituting demographics for individual merit.) Real security comes from a society in which certain civilized norms are honored and shared, responsibly, by all who reside in that society. We are promiscuous in who we admit to our family, that is what I am saying.
Orwell starts inside us, when we begin to forget what our nation is based on and fail to take the courageous steps to defend our basic rights and insist on proper social behavior.
Subway searches are pathetic--and dangerous Band-Aids--that don't address the real dangers. We already know, or should not, where the real threats are coming from, and we need to use all lawful means to go after the perps where they breed.
I'm not an LEO, nor do I play one on TV. I don't even approve of the subway searches. It is sad that it has come to this.
My point was that a flight from "profiling" is part of the Left's strategy to discredit any form of reason or even common sense and replace it with politically correct, agenda-serving actions that decrease freedom without increasing security. (I consider all "diversity" programs to fall under this rubric, by the way, substituting demographics for individual merit.) Real security comes from a society in which certain civilized norms are honored and shared, responsibly, by all who reside in that society. We are promiscuous in who we admit to our family, that is what I am saying.
Orwell starts inside us, when we begin to forget what our nation is based on and fail to take the courageous steps to defend our basic rights and insist on proper social behavior.
Subway searches are pathetic--and dangerous Band-Aids--that don't address the real dangers. We already know, or should not, where the real threats are coming from, and we need to use all lawful means to go after the perps where they breed.
longeyes
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"That policy is orwellian. Why does the government even have access to that data (your bank transactions and your credit rating) unless you're actively under investigation of a crime?"
It starts when you're always afraid
Man come and take you away
~Buffalo Springfield
Our education, on all levels, needs to be geared to producing responsible, courageous, adaptive, freedom-loving individuals. That is the only way to avoid an "Orwellian" future. Is it too late?
It starts when you're always afraid
Man come and take you away
~Buffalo Springfield
Our education, on all levels, needs to be geared to producing responsible, courageous, adaptive, freedom-loving individuals. That is the only way to avoid an "Orwellian" future. Is it too late?
Flyboy
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LawDog:
I apologize. I apologize for the confusion, and I apologize for offending you and the other mods. I should have been more careful in my words; I did not mean to slight you guys.
Actually, while I know in the abstract that several of the mods are officers, you're the only one I really know of for sure (maybe Coronach, now that I think about it); I have to say that I have particular respect for you, and your department, based on everything you've said here (again, not slighting the other guys, but LawDog's stories tend to be pretty memorable). I meant no disrespect toward any of the mods, or any other good cop.
You can also expect an apology in your PM as soon as I get done writing it. If anybody else was offended by my comment, please PM me and I'll write each of you one as well.
I did not mean to suggest that the mods were bad people; in fact, in the same post, I mentioned you by name as an example of a good one. Rather, I meant to point out that among THR members in general, we get a wide selection of people. I thought the quoted passage was more concerned with police officers than moderators, and was addressing that we have good cops and bad cops. Re-reading what I wrote shows it to be pretty suggestive that I'm talking about the mods. I wasn't, but I should have chosen a better way of phrasing things, or left out the comment about the mods entirely, as it confuses the context. I should also have considered that centac may not actually be an officer. Again, my mistake.
I apologize. I apologize for the confusion, and I apologize for offending you and the other mods. I should have been more careful in my words; I did not mean to slight you guys.
Actually, while I know in the abstract that several of the mods are officers, you're the only one I really know of for sure (maybe Coronach, now that I think about it); I have to say that I have particular respect for you, and your department, based on everything you've said here (again, not slighting the other guys, but LawDog's stories tend to be pretty memorable). I meant no disrespect toward any of the mods, or any other good cop.
You can also expect an apology in your PM as soon as I get done writing it. If anybody else was offended by my comment, please PM me and I'll write each of you one as well.
The Real Hawkeye
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Yes, I took great umbrage as well. Many of my distant cousins (multiple generations removed) are cops. When do I get my apology?
Your point doesn't lose its validity.charliew
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Lonegunman said "Disney is private property, and as such, the owners can establish rules for entry. It is no different than your own home. You get to decide who enters, and they have to follow your rules, or leave.
Disney World is optional, for millions of New Yorkers, the subway really is not."
I don't disagree at all, it is private property. What about airlines ? They search too...
Disney World is optional, for millions of New Yorkers, the subway really is not."
I don't disagree at all, it is private property. What about airlines ? They search too...
Graystar
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Bloomberg is a Democrat. He switched parties when he ran for mayor because the Dems already had a candidate. Obviously, he doesn’t care much about his affiliations.
DRZinn
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Actually, the government does, and none of those airline really has the option to say no.
Sorry to resurrect this one...
benEzra
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Actually, subways are generally public property, are they not? Just like roads.
If one takes the position that systematized warrantless searches of subway passengers, without probable cause, are not a violation of the 4th amendment, then you have just opened the door to systematic warrantless searches of people using roads and sidewalks without probable cause. After all, one has about as much choice not to use the roads as many New Yorkers have to not use the subway...
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