midland man
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well to the ones who think the 410 is wimpy well I challenge you to stand in front of one and see how wimpy it is!!
Truly the dumbest argument for any defensive firearm choice.well to the ones who think the 410 is wimpy well I challenge you to stand in front of one and see how wimpy it is!!
I dunno. That last choice you listed sounds pretty deadly to me.Truly the dumbest argument for any defensive firearm choice.
I don't want to stand in front of a single-shot .22. I don't want to stand in front of a bow and arrow. I don't want to stand in front of a BB gun. Hell, I don't particularly want to stand in front of you while you break wind.
But I'm not holding those up as good choices in the market of defensive firearms options.
There are international laws against the use of chemical weapons, and the BATFE would likely consider that a WMD. You'd probably have to register your bum and get a tax stamp and tag for your undies.I dunno. That last choice you listed sounds pretty deadly to me.
Great info. Thanks for the comparison pictures.If that's the intended purpose, then the only way to go is the Public Defender models.
The one on top is the Defender, the one on bottom is the regular Judge. There are a couple different versions of the PD's: there's a polymer frame model that weighs 23 oz and a steel frame a few ounces more. All models have a 2" barrel.
You seem to be set on a .410 handgun, have you looked at the Bond Arms derringers? They come in barrel lengths from 2.5" to 4.25" are very light and they are easy to carry.
with 410 it patterns so wide it's almost like throwing handfuls of gravel really fast
As far as snakes I imagine you don't need shot gun spreads to take them down as they probably don't require that level of speed.
Ha!That would explain why people from California are so anal retentive.
I agree. Every time I've encountered rattlesnakes they just wanted to get away from me since I'm not food to them. Though, I've never had an issue with snakes living under my deck or anything. If I did, I'd likely just buy some 45 caliber CCI shot cartridges and use that, not buy an entirely new gun. Heck, a well aimed 22 short would do just fine. I don't think the OP is worried about snakes though anyway.My thoughts exactly when it comes to all our discussions of "what gun for snakes?"
If you see it in time to do something about it before you're bitten, you probably have time to avoid it entirely. It's not like they can outrun you, or (mostly) want to. If you actually are harmed by it, it's because you made it "getcha" before you had any idea it was there and so didn't know to shoot at it. And if it's close enough to "getcha" (or already has got-cha) shooting at it with ANYTHING seems to be merely compounding your own problems!
So carrying around a gun that's specifically suited, or loaded, for shooting snakes seems pointless.
well to the ones who think the 410 is wimpy well I challenge you to stand in front of one and see how wimpy it is!!
That'd be kind of pointless if you could load it with hot .45 Colt as the barrel isn't even 3 inches long.The one downside is I can't load it as hot as my Blackhawk .45.
I stated in my earlier post that "everyone jumps up and says they are too weak and the pellet count is too small". But I don't think that at all. A 410 from a handgun? No thanks, I will pass. There are too many better options.
I bought a 410 shotgun from WM about 4 years ago. It was one of the remington imported EAA 22/410 combo guns someone had ordered then decided they didn't want. I paid $395 for the gun a and a box of 3" shells. I saw right off I better find a way to reload them. It came with 4 screw in choke tubes.
I was impressed with the accuracy of the 22 barrel. I set up empty bean cans at 25 yards and was REALLY impressed with how hard it hit and how many pettets hit and went through both sides of the cans. It was far better than what I had read on the internet. Is it a good gun for clay targets or flying birds? No, not with me shooting it.
I made my own reloading set up and use a MEC 410 sizer on the brass. I liked buck shot loads so much I bought a .395 round ball mold and load my own buckshot. I use a roll crimper from BPI. You ought to see what it does to a 2x4 at 20 yards. I wouldn't have any problem using this load on a deer to 30 yards.
I ended up buying 4 more 410 shotguns. I had one that had the stock shortened so I gave it to my young nephew. So I personaly like a 410 and think it would make an excellent survival gun for sitting game. It will not replace my 12 and 20 gauges but I like the option of having it. My favorite 410s are the two H&R single shots I have. I have one each to leave to my two sons.
Why on earth would you shoot woodpeckers?I've shot woodpeckers at 40 ft. using 2 1/2" 4 shot.
Some woodpeckers develop a nasty habit of pounding holes in wood siding as they look for grubs, which happened to my dad last summer.Why on earth would you shoot woodpeckers?