"Judge" owners I need your thoughts..

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I could feel powder fragments from just .22LR cases in the Circuit Judge rifle I fired. I suggest you not choose one of the Judge longarms.
 
I like the 3" stainless models. Not too big, not too small. With the .410 handgun 000 buck loads from Federal, they have devastating stopping power for a handgun, and increase hit probability in low light. There are also birdshot and slug loads available, as well as .45 Colt JHP rounds, for various risk applications and threat assessments.
 
With the .410 handgun 000 buck loads from Federal, they have devastating stopping power for a handgun
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and increase hit probability in low light
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So, you're saying they're inaccurate, throwing a wide enough pattern that you may hit a target even if you can't clearly identify it. Let's hope it's not your child. :barf:

John
 
So, you're saying they're inaccurate, throwing a wide enough pattern that you may hit a target even if you can't clearly identify it. Let's hope it's not your child.
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Multiple projectiles do tend to make more than one hole.:cool: My range experience is that there is never much spread with rounds rated as "defensive", but it would certainly increase the chances of hitting something or someone, hopefully at which one was aiming.
 
You want one that shoots 3" magnum shells. Mine is fun. It is more of a range/plinking toy for me, but I wouldn't feel unarmed with it.
 
In my experience the Winchester 3 pellet buckshot loads tend to dispense badly, but the Federal 4-pellet and winchester PDX stay tightly grouped out to at least 20 yards.
 
JShirley said:
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So, you're saying they're inaccurate, throwing a wide enough pattern that you may hit a target even if you can't clearly identify it. Let's hope it's not your child. :barf:

John
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I don't have children, or wives.

For MY purposes, a Judge with 3" magnum 000 buckshot works very, very well. Stopping power is increased due to the greater number of projectiles, which increase the likelihood of a hit against a vital organ.
 
I agree with post #2, get a Governor.

Unless this is for concealed carry, which then I would suggest the Public Defender models. Not that I'm recommending using any type of Judge for CC.
 
I have a Judge that holds the 2.5" shells, A friend has one that is several ounces lighter (I think about 29 ounces vs. his 23 ounces). The weight makes a BIG difference in shooting comfort. I recommend the heavier models. I use #4 buck or PDX shells to get more than the 3-4 pellets that you get with the full-size 00 or 000 buck. Rather have 12 .25" pellets than 3 .35"pellets, myself.
 
^ That guy never tested the Federal 000 buck, which numerous other testers have shown penetrates great in ballistic gel.

A couple shots of .410 inside a home, at shots under 7 yards, is a devastator. I think 2-3 shots of Federal 4 pellet 000 buck is exceptionally lethal, and even if it doesn't kill an intruder will certainly make him stop doing whatever he was.
 
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^ That guy never tested the Federal 000 buck, which numerous other testers have shown penetrates great in ballistic gel.

A couple shots of .410 inside a home, at shots under 7 yards, is a devastator. I think 2-3 shots of Federal 4 pellet 000 buck is exceptionally lethal, and even if it doesn't kill an intruder will certainly make him stop doing whatever he was.
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I 100% agree.
 
I find it funny that when asked if a .410 shotgun makes a good defense weapon everyone jumps up and says they are too weak and the pellet count is too small. But put a .410 in a handgun and all of a sudden its the best thing since canned beer.

But I did see a youtube video and the guy posting the video said it was an effective defense arm all the way out to 9 FEET away. WOW! That far.:banghead:

So needless to say, I don't own one.
 
Gimmick gun that is poor with both rounds fired from it. Buy a real handgun or a real shotgun but, don't settle for a gimmick firearm. Shot shells in a 357 or a 44 pattern much better for snakes and such and you still have a real handgun for other work.
 
Ratshooter said:
I find it funny that when asked if a .410 shotgun makes a good defense weapon everyone jumps up and says they are too weak and the pellet count is too small. But put a .410 in a handgun and all of a sudden its the best thing since canned beer.

But I did see a youtube video and the guy posting the video said it was an effective defense arm all the way out to 9 FEET away. WOW! That far.:banghead:

So needless to say, I don't own one.
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I don't think a .410 shotgun is underpowered, I just think it's not as good as something that is of equal size, like a 20 gauge. If I have the intention to buy a lower powered shotgun, something not a 12 gauge, and its main purpose is defense, then the 20 gauge is a better choice when compared with .410.

I see companies like Stoeger or Mossberg making double barrels in 20 gauge and not .410 for a reason.

Now, if I had to choose between .410 and a .22 rifle, I'd take the .410 hands down.
 
A few years ago I shot a S&W governor at my club and it was loaded with .45 Colt.
The accuracy of the .45 colt lead cowboy rounds was pretty good at 50 feet.
So if you did buy one you could always shoot .45 Colt and a 250 grain .45 at 800 FPS is nothing to sneeze at, much better IMHO as a manstopper than .410.
 
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