Glock 19X to be introduced in January

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helitack32f1 said:
I believe you have hit the nail on the head with this comment. No amount of rationalization will affect the thinking of someone who feels the need to read about and comment on guns he doesn’t want and clearly does not understand.
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That’s why I have been out on this one so far. I do wish they would offer a manual safety, but no luck for me, and I’m not upset over it, it just reaffirms that I don’t want a Glock. No matter how nice the MOS 10mm full sized gun is, it doesnt meet my criteria, and apparently even after developing a gun with a safety they still don’t market a gun with a safety. Seems to be really stupid people in charge of that decision, but they have done well for themselves.
 
WestKentucky said:
That’s why I have been out on this one so far. I do wish they would offer a manual safety, but no luck for me, and I’m not upset over it, it just reaffirms that I don’t want a Glock. No matter how nice the MOS 10mm full sized gun is, it doesnt meet my criteria, and apparently even after developing a gun with a safety they still don’t market a gun with a safety. Seems to be really stupid people in charge of that decision, but they have done well for themselves.
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I’m not in any way trying to put you down but, have you considered amending your criteria, at least briefly enough to give the gun a try? I’m sure you would be able to sell it fairly easily. That being said, there are a ton of recent awesome 10mm’s out there that will meet your criteria too I assume.

I myself have very little criteria. The only criteria is that I want it. This has of course led me down some questionable roads, like buying a Kel-Tec only to have it fail after 72 rounds.
 
helitack32f1 said:
I’m not in any way trying to put you down but, have you considered amending your criteria, at least briefly enough to give the gun a try? I’m sure you would be able to sell it fairly easily. That being said, there are a ton of recent awesome 10mm’s out there that will meet your criteria too I assume.

I myself have very little criteria. The only criteria is that I want it. This has of course led me down some questionable roads, like buying a Kel-Tec only to have it fail after 72 rounds.
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I will not change my criteria, and I am not ashamed to say why. I shot a hole in a boot once lowering the hammer on a Henry rifle while squirrel hunting. I know it’s apples and oranges for sure, but since then I can not get excited about a gun that is not easily, immediately, positively made safe. I deal with revolvers by sticking a thumb into the hammer pocket to let it off cock then let it down with the barrel pointed out and down aimed about 6 ft away, but you can’t go “hammer down” on a Glock. No decocker, no trigger block, no true safe because it will only go to what is essentially halfcock which is still enough to light soft primers. I even appreciate the thought of a “safety” causing issues in a battle situation, but again there are other options that go safe. Even the highly bashed skyy, Taurus, and Kel-Tec guns go to a hammer down status with the firing pin off of the primer simply by easing off of the trigger. I have tried hard to like Glock. I love how my wife’s 42 shoots but I still will not buy one for myself. I had a 17 gen 2 for a while that I got on trade, not for me. There is not an ounce of my 278 pounds that is interested in a Glock simply because it doesn’t meet my specs of being a safe gun. If they put a positive safety on one I’m all for it. Until they do I guess I will just keep looking at them and spending my money on other brands which meet my safety requirements.
 
You shot your foot through your own negligence with that Henry, not because it had no safety.
If you fear your ability to safely handle guns, then the fault would appear to lie with the software, not the hardware. :)
Denis
 
DPris said:
You shot your foot through your own negligence with that Henry, not because it had no safety.
If you fear your ability to safely handle guns, then the fault would appear to lie with the software, not the hardware. :)
Denis
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I disagree in part. Yes it was to an extent negligence but not 100% mine...still mine in large part though. It is idiotic to assume that every time a round chambers that it needs to fire, and it is equally idiotic to assume that something which is very possible will never happen. The manufacturers should consider this and make it possible to safely unload the gun without emptying the stupid thing into the ground because without a hammer block, firing pin block, etc that’s your only true safe way to do anything. Glocks little trigger where the big trigger is has sadly caught on, and it is one of the worst designs ever...thus Glock leg. It’s a shame THAT system got mated to such a reliable platform, but alas all it takes is an ink pen, a belt tag end, or a holster retention strap etc to accidentally kill and injure tons of folks who still praise the “perfection”, but it’s the negligence of every one of those individuals, not the one common item between them all that should get the blame....
 
I am willing to bet that the so called “Glock leg” that detractors so often like to mention, is only a thing due to the fact that for a very large period of time, over 65% of LEO’s have been carrying Glocks, vastly outnumbering any other platform. It only follows that there will be more accidents with that platform.

Also, in the modern lawsuit happy world I find it hard to believe that the Glock trigger safety would still exist, let alone be copied by nearly every manufacturer if it was such a bad and dangerous system.
 
Just off the phone with Glock VP.
The slide/gripframe config was not developed with us in mind, or for concealment.
Was developed to best meet mil requirements as laid out.

The 19X was released to the civilian market as an alternative model.
One with all of the milspec requirements of the samples submitted to the trials except the thumb safety.

It does not have a thumb safety because Glock doesn't believe in them & has never had them.
Those were forced on them by the MHS requirements.
In the civilian models, gone. Not necessary, so not there.

Possibility of black later on.
Sticking with 9mm for now, since that's the "military configuration" and Glock wanted to stay as close as possible to the pistol submitted.

So- you can either accept it or reject the model on that basis (me speaking).
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
View it as a replica of the pistol submitted for trials, with current Gen 5 internal upgrades, built for durability, and without those damned cheap plastic sights. :)

And I gotta say, as one who was carrying a 17 both on and off duty as far back as 1988, I don't personally see the huge kerfluffle over concealability of a 17-sized frame.
I've carried 17s over a number of years & never felt the urge to buy a 19 for better concealability.

So, while recognizing that there ARE those who prefer a smaller package, I don't urinate on their boots just because they have a different set of likes, I don't understand the hate on the 19X, and I don't see any reason for all the infighting & unpleasantness here & elsewhere over the model.

Buy if you like, don't if you don't.
It's just another Glock option.
Denis
 
I just want one because of the funny brown color, and maybe a few other things, but I do want one.
When I get it, I will let my friends shoot it if they want. I will not force them.
I have no problem with anything WestKentucky posted. He does not like the 19X because it doesn't fit his requirements. I know a lot of people that don't buy other guns for not meeting their requirements.
Hell, there are guns I don't buy.
I wonder how many people would not want to buy the Glock 19 if they had added the thumb safety .
 
DPris said:
Just off the phone with Glock VP.
The slide/gripframe config was not developed with us in mind, or for concealment.
Was developed to best meet mil requirements as laid out.

The 19X was released to the civilian market as an alternative model.
One with all of the milspec requirements of the samples submitted to the trials except the thumb safety.

It does not have a thumb safety because Glock doesn't believe in them & has never had them.
Those were forced on them by the MHS requirements.
In the civilian models, gone. Not necessary, so not there.

Possibility of black later on.
Sticking with 9mm for now, since that's the "military configuration" and Glock wanted to stay as close as possible to the pistol submitted.

So- you can either accept it or reject the model on that basis (me speaking).
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
View it as a replica of the pistol submitted for trials, with current Gen 5 internal upgrades, built for durability, and without those damned cheap plastic sights. :)

And I gotta say, as one who was carrying a 17 both on and off duty as far back as 1988, I don't personally see the huge kerfluffle over concealability of a 17-sized frame.
I've carried 17s over a number of years & never felt the urge to buy a 19 for better concealability.

So, while recognizing that there ARE those who prefer a smaller package, I don't urinate on their boots just because they have a different set of likes, I don't understand the hate on the 19X, and I don't see any reason for all the infighting & unpleasantness here & elsewhere over the model.

Buy if you like, don't if you don't.
It's just another Glock option.
Denis
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Thanks for the info! I think they are selling a ton of them right now and if and when they launch it in black, they will sell a ton more.
 
WestKentucky, I understand your concern and when I carry striker fired guns, which is almost all the time, I'm especially careful when reholstering. Unfortunately in Illinois the no gun signs businesses post have the force of law behind them, so from time to time it is necessary to leave my gun in the car. As far as some other posters go, if the worse thing going on in your life is that someone you've never met and most likely will never meet bought a Glock and it's so upsetting to you that you need to post repeatedly about it, you should look up and say a quick thank you.
 
DPris said:
I suggested a thumb safety option, but.... :)
Denis
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While I have no need for such a device, if it was an option on the 19X, I probably would have gotten it for the sake of accuracy as far as the MHS goes. But, either way, I can’t wait to pick up my 19X just the way it is!
 
Actually kinda surprised that Glock DIDN'T leave the safety on & produce both versions.
People have been asking for a Glock thumb safety for.....weeks now. :)
Denis
 
A Glock thumb safety would’ve saved me from the zero negligent discharges I’ve had resulting in zero injuries and zero fatalities.
 
As I said- a MARKETING issue. :)
As in- give the market what it wants.
Denis
 
Glocks are truly dangerous. Every time I want to check the trigger pull with a pull gauge on a Glock I have to........PULL THE TRIGGER!!!! Every time I wish to practice dry firing with a Glock I have to.......PULL THE TRIGGER!!!!!!!! Hell, every time I have to shoot the d@&* thing I have to.........PULL THE TRIGGER!!!!!!!! Can't believe Glock would allow such a product to be foisted on an unsuspecting public!!!!! Somebody needs to get the gubment involved. SOMETHING GOTTA BE DID!!!!!!! LMFAO:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
DPris said:
Actually kinda surprised that Glock DIDN'T leave the safety on & produce both versions.
People have been asking for a Glock thumb safety for.....weeks now. :)
Denis
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People have been asking for a safety on a Glock for a very long time. That aftermarket Comini or something safety has been around for over a decade.

Oh, and there was that little military contract that Glock wanted but didn't get. They made a safety for the tan wonder pistol this whole thread is about. They still lost.

And I guess the term "Glock leg" came from nowhere. Yeah, all those who shot themselves with their Glocks while reholstering are untrained idiots. Exactly the population that Glock caters to. "No safety to fumble with". "cuts down training time". Soldiers and cops have done it. Professional shooters have, too. But the Chairborne Rangers here lining up to get the new Glock will never have one. They're too good!



Like it or not, people ARE infallible. A safety lessens those odds. Keep telling yourself you're perfect. At least you believe it.

Here's a recent one. It was with a S&W M&P, though. Guess cops who had carried TDA Beretta's had more ND's with their M&P.s I wonder if they had been taught finger off trigger with their Beretta's. I'm sure they had.

Seems like Glock triggers DO require a whole lot more care. Tell that to the guy who shoots 50 rounds a year and carries one everyday.

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/12/17/lasd-sees-rise-negligent-discharges-gun-switch/
 
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Replace “blah blah blah” with “facts facts facts”. Reminds me of a child sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming “nah nah nah! I can’t hear you!”

Not that I’d expect rational talk from someone with your signature line. How’s that Glock underwear going for you?
 
Plenty of people have shot themselves with 1911’s and revolvers as well. But glock-leg just has a better ring to it. Not to mention a lot of these glock leg incidents were during a transition phase to striker fired guns. If one can’t see it’s all about discipline when handling firearms then this debate is useless. I have guns with manual safeties and guns without manual safeties. If I have to be extra careful reholstering a gun with no manual safety then so be it. But to blame a gun for firing when something fouled the trigger guard or someone pulled the trigger on a chambered round while disassembling it is about as ridiculous as one could get. Have you ever cut yourself with a knife by accident? I guess we need more safety apparatus on knives for preventing people from accidentally cutting themselves because the knife is doing exactly what it is suppose to do, cut. I only need/want a safety on a sao handgun, although I have a Cz 75b that’s da/sa and a usp compact that has the safety decocker. I never use the safeties on these guns. If someone wants a safety then so be it if it gives you piece of mind. But don’t blame negligent discharges on a gun. For all the people who have negligent discharges with glocks I’m sure there are thousands upon thousands more that have not. Saying a weapon is responsible for someone getting injured from a negligent discharge isn’t far from saying AR’s kill people and high capacity magazines create mass shootings. Let’s not take the human responsibility away from this, just saying
 
Homerboy said:
Replace “blah blah blah” with “facts facts facts”. Reminds me of a child sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming “nah nah nah! I can’t hear you!”

Not that I’d expect rational talk from someone with your signature line. How’s that Glock underwear going for you?
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But you’re not telling us anything that you haven’t already told us.
Well you did tell us again about Glock owners shooting them selves and then give us a link to one about a M&P.
You know that you can only tell someone the same thing so many times before they get to the point of not caring what you have to say. Trust my when I say, we all know that you don’t like Glocks.
Give us some facts like, how many Glock owners have shot them selves compared to your favorite gun with a manual safety. Or maybe how many people you personally know that have shot them selves with a striker fire pistol vs a hammer fire pistol.
I only know one guy that shot his self with a Glock. I still pick on him every time I see him because it was his fault not the gun.
 
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