Texas shooter 'failed background check' but exploited loophole by buying through private sale
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I hear that a lot of heroin is dispensed in private sales due to a similar "loophole". Somebody ought to do something about that...
It doesn’t surprise me. Sure seems like the perfect scenario for what the Dems have been waiting for doesn’t it? He still broke the law by murdering 7 people. And he still bought the gun illegally. It’s not a loophole. He knew he was prohibited. And if the other guy hadn’t sold it to him, someone would have. A criminal perhaps. Hmmmmm.....
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It's a so-called ''loophole'' when it's politically motivated as such; when YOU use it instead of THEM i.e. your pennies tax savings law vs. their $millions.
Also, how many thousands in the same week did the same thing, legally, with no repercussions?
It's a so-called ''loophole'' when it's politically motivated as such; when YOU use it instead of THEM i.e. your pennies tax savings law vs. their $millions.
Also, how many thousands in the same week did the same thing, legally, with no repercussions?
Robbins290
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They also said in the news this morning that 92% of the people support background checks.
Hmmmmm. I wonder if they asked “certain people” and not everyone for that poll
Hmmmmm. I wonder if they asked “certain people” and not everyone for that poll
Questionnaires and how they can be worded, and, what all is released as differentiated as to what was asked. I flatly REJECT any survey that calculates a high 90s answer yea or nay on ANY topic. Friends, the # is higher then what I would like to see, but, no way Jose on 90+ % anything
Just the rationale behind a survey not being known is suspect. Who is paying for it? Is it simply to gather data...educate and inform ...let the paymaster know their propaganda is / is not working ?
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Shanghai McCoy
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I had a daughter who used the prescription medicine "loophole" and died from an overdose.
Oughtta be a law huh...?
theotherwaldo
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I'll bet that they had a hard time finding that many people that didn't know that we already have pretty strong background checks.
the globalists own the mass media. the globalists have an agenda to take away our guns. the globalists will lie, cheat and steal to get what they want. don't believe the mass media "opinion".
all the poles picked hilary clinton to be president of this country. don't believe the poles.
murf
all the poles picked hilary clinton to be president of this country. don't believe the poles.
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I think that was Trump originally. A UBC law will be hard to fight with this vivid instance. It's polls, not poles. Poles cannot vote in this country. Sorry.
Also, let's not just rant about globalists and agenda, if you want to discuss the incident as regards background checks, fine. However, we don't need to go off on a general end of the world political path.
theotherwaldo
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-Great grandpa Yoshinsky voted plenty, once he became a citizen... .
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Maybe I'm not really up on these background checks, but I thought that lying on the form was a felony.
Isn't it reasonable to assume that when a person tries to buy a gun, but fails because the background check turns up that he's dangerously mentally ill, or he's a convicted felon that he'll just go out and try to buy what he wants on the street?
If the background check has any chance to be useful whatsoever, we're going to have to start putting these people who lie on the forms in jail.
We won't put them in jail of course because there's a strong belief that the criminally insane and the violent felon are at heart good people, and it's only necessary to keep them away from the evil of the gun.
Isn't it reasonable to assume that when a person tries to buy a gun, but fails because the background check turns up that he's dangerously mentally ill, or he's a convicted felon that he'll just go out and try to buy what he wants on the street?
If the background check has any chance to be useful whatsoever, we're going to have to start putting these people who lie on the forms in jail.
We won't put them in jail of course because there's a strong belief that the criminally insane and the violent felon are at heart good people, and it's only necessary to keep them away from the evil of the gun.
Stevie-Ray
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And prison overcrowding. Have to make room for for the truly evil, like the plastic straw offenders.
FROGO207
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We all have to educate the fence leaners as to why the UBC is a bad idea. And if we could be 100% sure that it was NEVER EVER used to form a registration database most gun owners would support it. Drop the firearm ID/SN from the form going forward and just check out the buyers eligibility would go a long way towards this IMHO. I feel this is the only way most of us that oppose UBC's will willingly go along with this type of law.
Also a set fee would need to be established to prevent gouging as well.
Also a set fee would need to be established to prevent gouging as well.
theotherwaldo
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The background check is supposed to be about the fitness of the buyer to own a firearm, not an opportunity to register who owns what possessions.
If it were merely a check of the individual's fitness then few would object to full ans accurate background checks... .
If it were merely a check of the individual's fitness then few would object to full ans accurate background checks... .
People are a “do something, do anything” species especially when they are afraid; the gun control narrative is being framed by people that simply do not know of what they speak - they are literally ignorant (in the pragmatic sense). This process will unfold as a product of fear and has nothing to do with results. When the afraid realize that their new controls are not effective, the next level of controls will be demanded from the politicians.
We as gun owners are very aware that the only absolute cure for crazy gun use is no guns - and so do the anti’s. There is no law that will correct crazy behavior; however, no guns will correct crazy behavior with a gun - but that damnable Second Amendment keeps getting in the way. And the battle rages on.....
We as gun owners are very aware that the only absolute cure for crazy gun use is no guns - and so do the anti’s. There is no law that will correct crazy behavior; however, no guns will correct crazy behavior with a gun - but that damnable Second Amendment keeps getting in the way. And the battle rages on.....
Robbins290
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If the UBC's get passed. They will not be happy with just that. They will soon realize it does not amount to much with out registration. Then will push for a common sense registration bill. We will fight and fight with that. Then, is they happen to get that passed. They will soon realize that will not do any good. Then they will push for some kind of common sense gun ban. excluding single shots. And them they will realize that will not work. They will never stop. We can not let them get one little victory. They will not stop until there is no 2A. chipping away at something till it crumbles.
They seem to forget that murder is already illegal.
They seem to forget that murder is already illegal.
AlexanderA
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Background checks poll well because people are not told that the corollary might be gun registration. In turn, that apparent popularity makes UBC legislation more likely.
The trajectory we are on means that legislators (eventually) will take the path of least resistance, and mandate that all gun sales be channeled through FFL dealers. That means backdoor registration through Forms 4473 and "bound book" entries. Not to mention that the dealers would collect transfer fees.
There are ways to have universal background checks without registration. One way would be for sellers to have direct access to the state agency doing the checking (or federal NICS), such as what we have here in Virginia on a voluntary basis. No record of the gun is kept. Something like that could be made mandatory.
But, for such alternate systems to be considered, they would have to be proposed by the pro-gun side. Sadly, that's not going to happen as long as the gun community takes the stance of stonewall opposition to everything.
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We need to get this stuff straight in our minds if we are gonna confront anyone about this.
Very good post above.
So one question would be for private sellers, is how do I keep from selling a gun to Felon Bob? Do you personally feel comfortable with "dont' ask, don't tell"? Because if Felon Bob uses your/his gun, and the police come knocking, you're gonna be in a world of crap. Not just from the local law enforcement but from civil litigation. One way around this is to use a system already in place.. demand your buyers have a CCP.
Robbins290
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If i don't know them, i go thru a FFL. Covers me If he is a felon, i could have been in trouble. If the person buying gets all upset over it, its normally a red flag and i refuse the sale. Lucky for me, i don't plan on selling anymore. I sold too many and regretted it.
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Well, the Daily Mail story is of course completely misleading and downplays the severity of the problem facing this country.
According to the CDC, each year nearly 20,000 Americans are victims of the Murder Loophole. While laws exist that outlaw murder, thousands of people every year exploit the Murder Loophole to commit heinous crimes against their fellow citizens. Despite evidence of the harm caused to society by this dangerous loophole, politicians refuse to act. Under terrorist-like pressure from the Logic Lobby, elected officials across the country simply refuse to enact common sense murder control laws that virtually all Americans agree on. Only when the Murder Loophole is finally closed will mothers be able to allow their children out in the streets. Action must be taken now.
According to the CDC, each year nearly 20,000 Americans are victims of the Murder Loophole. While laws exist that outlaw murder, thousands of people every year exploit the Murder Loophole to commit heinous crimes against their fellow citizens. Despite evidence of the harm caused to society by this dangerous loophole, politicians refuse to act. Under terrorist-like pressure from the Logic Lobby, elected officials across the country simply refuse to enact common sense murder control laws that virtually all Americans agree on. Only when the Murder Loophole is finally closed will mothers be able to allow their children out in the streets. Action must be taken now.
theotherwaldo
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If I don't know the buyer then I don't sell to them... on the rare case that I actually sell a gun.
Angst solved.
Angst solved.
To me, this illustrates the futility of background checks. There will always be alternative sources for guns, and if the background checks close one door, an undocumented alternative will be used.
What seems likely to me is that background checks will make the process more expensive or unpleasant, thereby reducing the number of owners who will put up with the bureaucracy and increasing, not decreasing criminal acts.
What seems likely to me is that background checks will make the process more expensive or unpleasant, thereby reducing the number of owners who will put up with the bureaucracy and increasing, not decreasing criminal acts.
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