Maybe I should have thought this one out a little bit

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Johnm1

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I picked up a Savage Model 24 F this summer and I'd like to take it on my Turkey hunt the first week in October. I picked up a Turkey choke for it today as it came with a modified choke. There was o ly one choice and it was an extended choke. Before I took it out of the package I got to thinking the extended portion is almost certainly going to impact the .223 bullet as it leaves the barrel because there will be about an inch of choke the bullet will have to travel past on the way down range.

Am I over thinking this or will the presence of the extended choke influence the bullet leaving the barrel?

Here is a compilation of photos showing the normal arrangement.

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The thought is to have the 223 for the occasional longer range yote or bobcat while I'm out hunting Turkey. 6 or seven years ago I called in a beautiful yote with my Turkey call. It happened to be in shotgun range though.
 
gotboostvr said:
Should be enough room. Shouldn't be a problem depending on how wide the extended part is. As long as the bore is unobstructed you should be fine.
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the choke is 12 gauge underneath a pencil barreled 223. There are no obstruction concerns.
 
The concern is that the blast from the muzzle will push against the extended part of the choke and upset the bullet before it clears the end of the extended part of the choke.

I have been known to over think things.
 
Dr T said:
I think you are over thinking things. Take to the range and check it you. You certainly are not going to hit the choke with the 223 bullet.
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I'll try it at the range tomorrow. I considered returning it before I took it out of the package if there was going to be an issue.
 
edwardware said:
Yes.

Enough to notice in that rifle? No. Maybe enough that a benchrester could measure the effect.
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Yeah, these things were not known for their accuracy. Like anything built for more than one purpose, they tend to do none well. But, it's cool and I want to make it work.

Currently the best I can do at 100 yards is more of a pattern than a group. That is shooting factory V Max 55 grain projectiles. Although chambered for 223 it has a 1/16 twist. So I'm working up some 40, 45, and 50 grain loads to see if I can a tually get a group.

Just so everyone knows, I was never concerned about the choke obstructing the rifle.
 
Johnm1 said:
Yeah, these things were not known for their accuracy. Like anything built for more than one purpose, they tend to do none well. But, it's cool and I want to make it work.
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I agree whole heartedly that they're cool.

Here's mine
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Johnm1 said:
Yeah, these things were not known for their accuracy. Like anything built for more than one purpose, they tend to do none well. But, it's cool and I want to make it work.

Currently the best I can do at 100 yards is more of a pattern than a group. That is shooting factory V Max 55 grain projectiles. Although chambered for 223 it has a 1/16 twist. So I'm working up some 40, 45, and 50 grain loads to see if I can a tually get a group.

Just so everyone knows, I was never concerned about the choke obstructing the rifle.
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It is a cool little gun. Take it out to the range and have fun. Cook up a variety of loads and see if you can improve on it any. Keep us informed of your progress. Good luck!
 
There is one thing you may be underthinking. In my state it is illegal to hunt pheasants, ducks, turkey's ect... while in possession of a rifle or even a shotgun slug. If you take any 223 ammo with you and you get checked that will become an issue if your state has similar laws. They used to get people here during deer season because guys used to walk field edges for pheasants and slip a couple slugs in their pocket in case they saw any deer. Likewise its also illegal here to hunt deer while in possession of shot shells, so they can get you from either angle.
 
Johnm1 said:
Currently the best I can do at 100 yards is more of a pattern than a group. That is shooting factory V Max 55 grain projectiles. Although chambered for 223 it has a 1/16 twist. So I'm working up some 40, 45, and 50 grain loads to see if I can a tually get a group.
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This might be your best bet. 1:14 is supposedly marginal for 55gr. . . 1:16 would be really marginal.

I'd get you some 35-50gr (might be pushing it) to try.
 
someguy2800 said:
There is one thing you may be underthinking. In my state it is illegal to hunt pheasants, ducks, turkey's ect... while in possession of a rifle or even a shotgun slug. If you take any 223 ammo with you and you get checked that will become an issue if your state has similar laws. They used to get people here during deer season because guys used to walk field edges for pheasants and slip a couple slugs in their pocket in case they saw any deer. Likewise its also illegal here to hunt deer while in possession of shot shells, so they can get you from either angle.
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Years ago Arizona removed the prohibition of carrying a rifle or pistol while in a shotgun season due to safety concerns. Much of the discussion at the time was related to deer hunting in the southern deserts where a lot of illegal activity occurs. I do plan to confirm that there will be no hassles with the game warden though. I have read the statutes, but it is difficult to find something that isn't there. So, I will be safe. And thanks for the reminder.
 
I had a .222 Rem Mag under a 3" 20 gauge. Fixed chokes. So I do not know about the extended choke. I would try a shot without the choke and one with the choke and see if they go to the same place. My guess is that will be fine.

The problem I had is that I could not get the scope mounts to hold zero when I fired several of the 3" mag 20 gauge shells. Is your scope mount on dovetails or is it screwed into the gun?
 
Bill M. said:
Is your scope mount on dovetails or is it screwed into the gun?
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The pictures I supplied above were from the internet and showed a Model 24 with a scope. Mine does not have, and probably never will, have a scope. If for some reason I wanted to mount a scope to this combination gun I would use the screws on the right side of the receiver / barrel to mount a base similar to what is in the picture above. Unfortunately B Square no longer makes that mount. I would have to fabricate it.

I am on my way to the range right now to test three different loads. Using 26 grains of IMR 4320 and 50 grain, 45 grain, and 40 grain projectiles.
 
Johnm1 said:
The pictures I supplied above were from the internet and showed a Model 24 with a scope. Mine does not have, and probably never will, have a scope. If for some reason I wanted to mount a scope to this combination gun I would use the screws on the right side of the receiver / barrel to mount a base similar to what is in the picture above. Unfortunately B Square no longer makes that mount. I would have to fabricate it.

I am on my way to the range right now to test three different loads. Using 26 grains of IMR 4320 and 50 grain, 45 grain, and 40 grain projectiles.
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A screaming 40 gr vmax would be a dandy, also the 50 spsx or varmageddons
 
My intent is to preserve fur as much as I can. By law I must use expanding projectiles but I’m trying to stay away from The explosive Ammunition.
 
I like them as well. Keep in mind flash suppressors and how they have holes on the top and not the bottom to redirect blast but do not upset the projectile path.
You can't tell from this pic but it has really nice Case Hardening color on the receiver. .223 over 20 GA.

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I've always thought combination guns were a great concept and I've had a couple of them (Savage Model 24s) to shoot but in different calibers and gauges than yours. I have to ask you how the trigger is on yours? I don't presently own a Model 24 in any configuration because the ones I shot had the most miserable trigger pulls of any firearm I've ever shot and trips to the gunsmith to improve the trigger were wastes of time. I might own one if Timney made a trigger replacement for it :D and, if I did, it would have the same gauge and caliber as yours.
 
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