Speedo66
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I have a feeling that wasn't his first robbery, first time someone put a gun in his face,
Seriously, no trigger discipline, no gun. With very little or no training, would you want her standing behind you?
Is it ok to store a gun like this in the safe?
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I have a feeling that wasn't his first robbery, first time someone put a gun in his face,
Seriously, no trigger discipline, no gun. With very little or no training, would you want her standing behind you?
Zerodefect
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Glocks are easy to rack. Drop the mag, lock back the slide. Insert mag, hit the slide release.
If she can't handle that, and won't train, then buy her a pointy stick. She isn't suited to firearms. People that refuse to learn, should not be taught.
If she can't handle that, and won't train, then buy her a pointy stick. She isn't suited to firearms. People that refuse to learn, should not be taught.
RedlegRick
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Don't know if they make them for other brands, but there's an accessory for Glocks that adds spurs on the slide. Old fella at my club has them because he's got bad arthritis in his hands. Maybe that might help?
FL-NC
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A gun in a safe isn't very accessible in the event it is needed anyway, and employing motor skills under stress for an untrained shooter will also likely be problematic. If your wife has poor trigger discipline at the range she rarely goes to, it will not improve under stressful conditions. Being able to put holes in an adversary under stress is important- and so is NOT putting holes in someone who doesn't need to be shot, your own foot, or anything else but the intended target. The most important things to address here are training to a level of comfort and safety to effectively use the firearm(s) in question, and accessibility of the firearm(s) when most needed.
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I wouldn’t feel comfortable giving someone a firearm intended to save their life, that they could not operate.
An AD or something like that would be nothing compared to them being dead because of a malfunction.
Kind of like telling her to drive herself to the hospital then throwing her the keys to a manual transmission vehicle, you already know she can’t drive…
If she is smart, she wouldn’t make the attempt, rather just smile and nod at you, as you tell her what to do, in case. A better idea is to let her go and pick out what she wants and is comfortable with.
An AD or something like that would be nothing compared to them being dead because of a malfunction.
Kind of like telling her to drive herself to the hospital then throwing her the keys to a manual transmission vehicle, you already know she can’t drive…
If she is smart, she wouldn’t make the attempt, rather just smile and nod at you, as you tell her what to do, in case. A better idea is to let her go and pick out what she wants and is comfortable with.
RetiredUSNChief
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Hmmm...a few things here.
First, to address the original posting, there is nothing mechanically wrong with storing a pistol this way.
However, if you're going to do this with the intent for your wife to have access to a pistol "should she need it", then I'd recommend a small pistol lockbox instead. It's not a safe (and let's not get into what actually constitutes a safe), but rather a small residential security container specifically designed to provide a modicum of storage safety combined with rapid access. A safe, however, is NOT designed for rapid accessibility in times of need.
Second, investigate alternatives for your wife...and do this WITH your wife (I do so dislike people who push one thing or another on others under their own opinion). You know what you like and dislike, she does too. Go shopping around for options she might like better that are easier for her to operate. While gun shops are OK for this, gun shows are a LOT better because you'll find a LOT more to handle.
Third: Contrary to popular belief, the ability to rack a slide is NOT just "technique". It DOES involve some strength. Yes, different techniques require different amounts of strength from various muscles, but even so...some guns are a challenge.
And while most of us are perfectly fine with more range time and exercises which would build up various musculature strengths, the fact remains that this constitutes "work", and for some people a LOT of work. As soon as shooting becomes "work", her interest will very likely drop off and that's not what you want.
Currently, the only handgun my wife owns is her "Bond gun"...a Walther PPK/S. It's got a darn powerful recoil spring and she has extreme difficulty in racking the slide EVEN WITH CORRECT "TECHNIQUE". This means if we go shooting, I have to do the chambering for her.
This is fine...because that's her "Bond gun" and she absolutely will not give it up. It's "fun" for her to shoot simply because it's her "Bond gun". However, she has long expressed a desire for an easier to rack pistol because this is obviously not a good carry choice for her.
First, to address the original posting, there is nothing mechanically wrong with storing a pistol this way.
However, if you're going to do this with the intent for your wife to have access to a pistol "should she need it", then I'd recommend a small pistol lockbox instead. It's not a safe (and let's not get into what actually constitutes a safe), but rather a small residential security container specifically designed to provide a modicum of storage safety combined with rapid access. A safe, however, is NOT designed for rapid accessibility in times of need.
Second, investigate alternatives for your wife...and do this WITH your wife (I do so dislike people who push one thing or another on others under their own opinion). You know what you like and dislike, she does too. Go shopping around for options she might like better that are easier for her to operate. While gun shops are OK for this, gun shows are a LOT better because you'll find a LOT more to handle.
Third: Contrary to popular belief, the ability to rack a slide is NOT just "technique". It DOES involve some strength. Yes, different techniques require different amounts of strength from various muscles, but even so...some guns are a challenge.
And while most of us are perfectly fine with more range time and exercises which would build up various musculature strengths, the fact remains that this constitutes "work", and for some people a LOT of work. As soon as shooting becomes "work", her interest will very likely drop off and that's not what you want.
Currently, the only handgun my wife owns is her "Bond gun"...a Walther PPK/S. It's got a darn powerful recoil spring and she has extreme difficulty in racking the slide EVEN WITH CORRECT "TECHNIQUE". This means if we go shooting, I have to do the chambering for her.
This is fine...because that's her "Bond gun" and she absolutely will not give it up. It's "fun" for her to shoot simply because it's her "Bond gun". However, she has long expressed a desire for an easier to rack pistol because this is obviously not a good carry choice for her.
wiscoaster
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Maybe you ought to post a few of them here then, so I have some entertainment to watch for this afternoon's happy hour.
We all agree at least, that the storage question is a "symptom" of a more serious problem that needs to be fixed. The OP says he will address it.
I agree with others who suggested he takes the lady to a range and gets her to try a selection of guns.
Trigger discipline: she has to learn this or stay away from guns. No easy wins there, she HAS to do it.
I'm of the opinion that this lady probably isn't "invested" in learning things like clearing stoppages and malfunctions. I think with a magazine-fed pistol there is a lot more that can go wrong for this lady. If it was me I would find a revolver she can shoot. Simpler manual of arms, it goes bang X amount of times and then there are no more "bullets."
Simpler is better in this case.
I agree with others who suggested he takes the lady to a range and gets her to try a selection of guns.
Trigger discipline: she has to learn this or stay away from guns. No easy wins there, she HAS to do it.
I'm of the opinion that this lady probably isn't "invested" in learning things like clearing stoppages and malfunctions. I think with a magazine-fed pistol there is a lot more that can go wrong for this lady. If it was me I would find a revolver she can shoot. Simpler manual of arms, it goes bang X amount of times and then there are no more "bullets."
Simpler is better in this case.
Hokkmike
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Let HER pick out a gun suitable to her needs....
.308 Norma
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Yep, and the "strength" a person has available to rack a slide can be affected by such things as arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome. My "slightly built" wife has both. That's why she carries a Smith 380 Shield EZ. She would rather carry a Smith 9mm Shield EZ (like our also "slightly built" daughter carries) but due to the arthritis in my wife's right thumb joint, she can't handle 9mm recoil in that small of a pistol.
BTW, there's little doubt that the arthritis in my wife's right thumb joint is at least partly the result of the thousands upon thousands of full-house 44 Magnum rounds she fired in a Ruger Super Blackhawk in IHMSA competitions back in the '80s. She was one of the top IHMSA "Production Revolver" competitors in the state back then, and she's still pretty darned good with a handgun. As long as my wife is physically able to operate a handgun, and said handgun doesn't hurt her when it goes off, I'd bet good money she could outshoot most of the males here with it. "Improper technique" my eye!
wiscoaster
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Ya, and as I've noted at a local gun range that gives classes to newbie gun owners, gals are out-of-the-starting-gate pretty good at hitting their targets ... until the man in their life starts "teaching" them bad habits, anyway.
I think that the answer to your question is absolutely “yes”; what happens when the handgun is needed for your intended purpose may need some more thought process. In turn, some women listen and shoot better than some men - all women do not listen and shoot better than all men - the wife’s tales still persist for some strange reason?????
BlueHeelerFl
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Yep, and the "strength" a person has available to rack a slide can be affected by such things as arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome. My "slightly built" wife has both. That's why she carries a Smith 380 Shield EZ. She would rather carry a Smith 9mm Shield EZ (like our also "slightly built" daughter carries) but due to the arthritis in my wife's right thumb joint, she can't handle 9mm recoil in that small of a pistol.
BTW, there's little doubt that the arthritis in my wife's right thumb joint is at least partly the result of the thousands upon thousands of full-house 44 Magnum rounds she fired in a Ruger Super Blackhawk in IHMSA competitions back in the '80s. She was one of the top IHMSA "Production Revolver" competitors in the state back then, and she's still pretty darned good with a handgun. As long as my wife is physically able to operate a handgun, and said handgun doesn't hurt her when it goes off, I'd bet good money she could outshoot most of the males here with it. "Improper technique" my eye!
That is a good point about recoil. A small 38 Spl will have a decent amount of recoil. Which for a novice shooter might be an issue.
A heavier revolver will help with that, but would she like a heavy model 10 or 19 sized handgun.
BlueHeelerFl
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And for an off the wall idea how about a coach gun? Something like a Stoeger Coach Gun in 410 is about as simple to operate as you can get, especially the single trigger model.
I understand that only 2 shoots is not ideal, but a shot gun is still a shot gun
I understand that only 2 shoots is not ideal, but a shot gun is still a shot gun
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Weapons in the safe are just that, safe.......
I keep my ready weapons ready to rock and accessible......anyone who knows their location, my wife and I, are familiar and competent in their use!
Nothing wrong with loaded weapons in the safe but they certainly aren't ready for any critical situation....
I keep my ready weapons ready to rock and accessible......anyone who knows their location, my wife and I, are familiar and competent in their use!
Nothing wrong with loaded weapons in the safe but they certainly aren't ready for any critical situation....
Yes, a mid-weight revolver with a bobbed hammer/double action only would be my choice for her.
When it's loaded, it's visual, and no handling required to confirm that it's LOADED!
Let her dry fire it (no ammo) to feel what the trigger feels like when pulled thru double action.
Only thing safer would be a single action revolver...
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yeh, but the bad guy jammed it when he racked the slide.
Seeing that should have had the cashier taking it away from him/beating him with it.
jmo,
I’m gonna reiterate training is needed and can be fun for her as well. I love single action revolvers. Problem is if you decided not to shoot ie drunk neighbor trying to open up your door by mistake. Now she has to “decock “ a loaded revolver when her heart is pounding.
.308 Norma
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That's a good point. One that I hadn't thought of before.
I too like SA and DASA revolvers, and in fact don't even own a DAO revolver. But I'm pretty sure my own heart would be pounding after someone mistakenly tried to open the door to our house making me think I might have to shoot them.
I guess that's another vote for my bedside gun - my 1911, 45ACP. All it takes is a flick of the thumb to put it back on "safe."
BlueHeelerFl
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They might have a policy where employees are not allowed to resist and have to comply with an armed robber.
I understand how you could feel that way.
That wouldn't be me...
That guy tried to give him the cash drawer too.
I would have wacked him over the head with it, after seeing his gun was jammed and he didn't know it.
yeh, if you don't know make something up, and he wasn't armed, his gun was jammed, condition 3.
jmo,
Yeh, not if she had been taught to just put it down and leave it alone for hubby to deal with or was taught to NOT to cock it until the threat is emanate.
Why are we playing "what ifs" and making up stuff up to debate ??
jmo,
I saw a news report on that incident. In it was a statement that the store manager was standing somewhere behind the counter guy ; the manager told counter guy to surrender the cash.
That was the right thing to do. The perp had a jammed gun , but it was still a gun. Always the chance that he would take a swipe at the slide and succeed in clearing the jam.
It's only money. This was not an action movie , it was real life.
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