AR-15 Article: Some Won't Like It, But....

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I actually have a Mini-14, but you kind of want to know how to use an AR even if you don't own one. I shoot a couple of my friends and for a prepper, knowing how to at least operate the most common firearm seems like a valuable skill, vs. not knowing. might come in handy some day.


I have access to BOTH systems, and I know I could rely on either for anything I could throw at them. Least where I am located, I also agree with your idea of being familiar with systems.

This article calls the AR15 "complicated" but the only thing you could argue isn't ideal is all the pins/springs that can go flying..and it's just the nature of what it is. An "Oops Kit" is a very valuable insurance plan which isn't costly.

It's not very complicated, I've helped a personal friend buy/plan/build a few and he started as a noob with no experience.

I find the fact the AR15 is so easy to repair/stock parts for being a huge advantage. I've done it on a kitchen table before.
 
I'm a long way from an AR expert but there's too much ignorance in that article for me to even read it all. He lost me at, "it's too complicated". If I can build one from a pile of parts in an hour, after having not done it in a year, it ain't complicated.

Exactly. I'm not the sharpest tack on the bulletin board but ARs just don't rise to the level of rocket science.
 
And here is an interesting read from Henderson Arms/Battlefield Las Vegas. They rent out different type of NFA firearms at their range. A lot of their AR15/M16 rifles have very high round counts. And you would be surprised how the less expensive AR uppers have done compared to expensive uppers.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/H...ow-they-have-handled-on-our-range/118-677135/

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His articles... I consider them articles, not posts on a forum, even if it was ARF... really opened my eyes up to the AR platform. The concept that things wear out, even firearm components, never really occurred to me until I read some of his stuff... and that it was OK and, oddly enough, expected. So when my buddy's AR sheared some lug bolts, it wasn't the end of the world... I just threw a new bolt in it (because I carry an AR parts kit in my tool box...) and kept on keppin' on.


'Overly complicated.'

If I can tear down an M16 in less than 30 seconds under the scornful eye of my Drill Instructor, and then put it back together in less than 30 seconds... it's NOT overly complicated.
 
I'm a long way from an AR expert but there's too much ignorance in that article for me to even read it all. He lost me at, "it's too complicated". If I can build one from a pile of parts in an hour, after having not done it in a year, it ain't complicated.

In defense of the "it's too complicated" comment: You have to bear in mind that we here are all mechanically minded people. The article is for preppers. Not all people who prep are gun enthusiasts, or mechanically minded. Given this context, whether it's "too complicated" or not should be consider through the eyes of an average person - and in comparison to other designs - rather than being based on how quickly a gun guy such as yourself can build one.

If you still find yourself feeling it's not too complicated, so be it. There really isn't a metric to measure with. But also bear in mind that from a prepper POV, it has to keep working. If that requires troubleshooting issues and replacing parts, that might be more complicated most people can manage. There's a reason gunsmiths sometimes complain about the home-built ARs getting brought in to them because they don't work right: it's more than the builder could handle.
 
I'm a long way from an AR expert but there's too much ignorance in that article for me to even read it all. He lost me at, "it's too complicated". If I can build one from a pile of parts in an hour, after having not done it in a year, it ain't complicated.

I am not a big fan of the AR as well, but complicated....are you kidding me. And half of his other so called points, you are fishing for things not to like.

Nothing is perfect, nothing will survive every thing you can toss at it. But this article is uninformed at best. If you don't like it don't make up excuses.

Personally I think the rifle is just fine, it is the fans of it that I have issues with. I also think it has really cut into development of other sporting systems. Why bother there is an AR for that. Reminds me of the 1022, want to shoot arrows sure, I wonder what platform has more different options for it, 1022 or AR....bet it is close.
 
What I don't like about the Modern AR system ? The tiny springs and detents, the roll pins for the Bolt release and - THAT is it ! From one of those "Old Viet Nam vets" that first used one in 1968 (after being trained on M14) and disliked them pretty much when I had other choices until the mid 80s . And yes the article is pretty much BS since about 30 years ago , progress is progress !
 
In defense of the "it's too complicated" comment: You have to bear in mind that we here are all mechanically minded people. The article is for preppers. Not all people who prep are gun enthusiasts, or mechanically minded. Given this context, whether it's "too complicated" or not should be consider through the eyes of an average person - and in comparison to other designs - rather than being based on how quickly a gun guy such as yourself can build one.

If you still find yourself feeling it's not too complicated, so be it. There really isn't a metric to measure with. But also bear in mind that from a prepper POV, it has to keep working. If that requires troubleshooting issues and replacing parts, that might be more complicated most people can manage. There's a reason gunsmiths sometimes complain about the home-built ARs getting brought in to them because they don't work right: it's more than the builder could handle.
I don't see how it could be considered complicated in any context. It is a semi-automatic firearm, so a certain level of "complication" is to be expected. Hell, they're barely more complicated than a boltgun. They're literally made to be field serviced and one could easily accomplish this with basic tools. Prepper or not, it's not a Model T Ford, they don't need constant maintenance to keep them running. The average AR owner probably never cracks them open, other than for normal cleaning. Most are never going to get anywhere near the round count required before parts start wearing out. For those that do, then being able to completely disassemble one and reassemble with new parts should be a given.
 
In defense of the "it's too complicated" comment: You have to bear in mind that we here are all mechanically minded people. The article is for preppers. Not all people who prep are gun enthusiasts, or mechanically minded. Given this context, whether it's "too complicated" or not should be consider through the eyes of an average person - and in comparison to other designs - rather than being based on how quickly a gun guy such as yourself can build one.

If you still find yourself feeling it's not too complicated, so be it. There really isn't a metric to measure with. But also bear in mind that from a prepper POV, it has to keep working. If that requires troubleshooting issues and replacing parts, that might be more complicated most people can manage. There's a reason gunsmiths sometimes complain about the home-built ARs getting brought in to them because they don't work right: it's more than the builder could handle.

It's not complicated though. It's a firearms so its more complicated that a hammer but its no more complicated than other semi auto rifles.

On top of that, the entire gun can be completely rebuilt with hand tools and a vice. Really, you can do it without the vice if in dire conditions. That point alone makes the AR probably one of the best prepper guns. Damage a barrel or receiver? Change then out in an hour with hand tools. Damage a barrel or receiver on your AK47? Hope you have a press and riveting tools.
 
I don't see how it could be considered complicated in any context. It is a semi-automatic firearm, so a certain level of "complication" is to be expected. Hell, they're barely more complicated than a boltgun.


If you don't see it, I guess you don't see it. And the bolt gun comparison is a big stretch of the imagination from my perspective. I cannot think of a rifle design commonly owned by civilians that is more complicated from a user perspective than the AR. If complicated isn't a relative term, I don't know how else you'd apply it.
 
On top of that, the entire gun can be completely rebuilt with hand tools and a vice. Really, you can do it without the vice if in dire conditions. That point alone makes the AR poetically one of the best prepper guns. Damage a barrel or receiver? Change then out in an hour with hand tools. Damage a barrel or receiver on your AK47? Hope you have a press and riveting tools.

Where is a preppers (during social upheaval) supposed to come by an extra barrel or receiver exactly? And I suppose they'll be taking the time to learn how to do all that in between all the other work that go with being a prepper. It makes more sense to just buy a spare gun, zero it, and keep it in storage, doesn't it?
 
Where is a preppers (during social upheaval) supposed to come by an extra barrel or receiver exactly? And I suppose they'll be taking the time to learn how to do all that in between all the other work that go with being a prepper. It makes more sense to just buy a spare gun, zero it, and keep it in storage, doesn't it?
I’m no prepper by any means. But I do see a certain wisdom in having duplicates of defensive weapons.

Re: ARs, I personally think it’s good to have at least 2 and preferably 3 plus a few extra small parts.

Same with my Glock 19’s and Beretta 92’s. Extra parts are good, but extra guns are better. So I can agree with your opinion on extra guns is a great way to go!

But to C-Grunt’s point…. I do find it a bit easier to source AR parts and mags vs some other designs. Several lgs owners keep AR stuff readily available and I like having local access to stuff like that. And the AR isn’t terribly difficult to service.
 
A prepper without an abundance of spare parts isn't much of a prepper.
I agree, to a point. You should have a good base of parts that have a history of being an issue, but you dont need a complete set for each gun you have. I think that's just a waste of money that could be spent better elsewhere.

Over the years, historically, Ive only ever had a few parts actually break, and they were in very high round count guns.

Personally, I think recoil springs, and knowing roughly when to change them out, are something that needs more attention and give more benefit, than anything else.
 
The military does a fine job of teaching raw recruits with ZERO firearms experience on how to use and maintain the M16/M4. So there is no way that it is "over complicated". I was a shooting instructor at the unit level and had to work with guys that graduated basic and cold barely qualify as a marksman. I would usually get them to where they qualified sharpshooter or expert.
 
A prepper without an abundance of spare parts isn't much of a prepper.
Yes, it doesn't really cost much either, to have an appropriate supply of spare gas rings ($3ish), extractor ($20ish), 5 coil extractor springs ($3ish) spare firing pin ($6ish), buffer spring ($19ish for a sprinco, which will never wear out, a mil spec for around half that price and it might go 10K rds, idk. Not really sure when folks replace them).

Just a few of the things you could buy here or there to save yourself a headache at a Match, casual shooting or the more serious "big event". It probably will never come to pass for most casual shooters to ever have to replace a part, but for those that do shoot quite a bit, it's not a bad idea to have spare stuff.

I think the saying is "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
 
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If i were a prepper who believed that society is gonna end and i needed to survive for years or decades even, without society, Id have a handful of quality rifles. I could have enough spare parts to run those rifles for the rest of my life and all the parts could fit in a duffel bag.
 
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The military does a fine job of teaching raw recruits with ZERO firearms experience on how to use and maintain the M16/M4. So there is no way that it is "over complicated". I was a shooting instructor at the unit level and had to work with guys that graduated basic and cold barely qualify as a marksman. I would usually get them to where they qualified sharpshooter or expert.

Im not military. I was taught by an experienced law enforcement officer and avid shooter the fundamentals of pistol and rifle shooting many years ago.

He taught me how to hold, how to grip, how to stand, site alignment, breathing control, trigger control, site picture, etc.

In just a couple of range sessions I went from being utterly incompetent with a Glock and an AR into reasonably proficient. A long way in a pretty short time frame.

All that to say…. Yes, I can absolutely see how it’s possible to train someone with little experience into a competent shooter in short order.

Good on you for helping your soldiers get to the next level too! That’s really cool.
 
If i were a prepper who believed that society is gonna end and i needed to survive for years or decades even, without society, Id have a handful of quality rifles. I could have enough spare parts to run those rifles for the rest of my life and all the parts could fit in a duffel bag.
Right. I could fit a whole assortment of regular wear parts for 10 AR's into a sandwich bag, now barrels and stuff would be another story....
 
Two things made me roll my eyes at the author of that article and made it difficult for me to finish the whole thing: "It's too complex" and his constant reference to the AR-15 as a service weapon.

Now, some people may say "semantics" about this, but semantics makes a difference. The military does not have AR-15 rifles. They have M16 rifles. And while we can endlessly debate the differences between the two, the fact remains that the AR-15 is NOT the M16 and whatever vast experience he has as a "28-year Green Beret veteran", it WASN'T with an AR-15.

Just sticking with what he wrote, here are a few pretty important details that can make a huge difference between the M15 and the AR-15:

- Most people who own and use an AR-15 have a rifle that has exceptionally few owners. Either they bought (or built) their AR-15 new, or they bought a used AR-15 that has been through maybe 1 or 2 previous owners (maybe a few more in some cases). The M16s owned by the military? Years and decades old, untold numbers of rounds expended through them, and have been in the hands of so many different people (from troops to armorers) it isn't even funny.

- Civilian owners of AR-15 rifles probably aren't operating their rifles under the conditions, and practices, that servicemembers may be operating theirs under. They probably aren't spending huge amounts of time crawling around in the mud/sand/water with their rifles. More likely, they're doing range shooting, competition shooting, hunting, or varmint shooting. They're the kind of people a bit more concerned about doing things that will scuff or otherwise mar the appearance of their rifle.

As a side note, if the AR-15 was anywhere NEAR plagued with the kinds of problems this guy complains about, there's no way on God's green Earth that this rifle would have received it's reputation and constant praise from so many different people in the 6-plus decades it's been around in civilian hands. If there's one constant in the civilian firearms community, it's the fact that they are utterly merciless about firearms that have problems. Manufacturing defects, jams, misfires, trigger feel...you name it. If there's a gun design out there that sucks in some way, it'll be hammered by people and it won't last long.


Now, I used to not like the M16/AR-15 platform because it deviated significantly from the typical rifle/shotgun appearance I so fondly grew up with. But after shooting an M16 on a qualification range once while I was in the Navy, I was amazed at how accurate it was and how easy the recoil felt. Eventually, a couple decades or so later, my wife and I ended up with a couple M&P-15 rifles and we love them. Never had any problems with them, either.

That doesn't make me an expert on either rifle, and I don't claim to be. I'm certainly not going to break down every little thing this guy talks about, but I WILL mention one: Cleanliness.

While it's often a point of pride in cleanliness, it's not necessary for a person to clean their firearm until absolutely no evidence of dirt, grime, lead, etc. can be found. I know, from my cleaning efforts on my first rifle I bought back in 1982 (a bolt action .22 WMR) that I could scrub and scrub and scrub and swab and swab and swab the barrel endlessly and STILL not get a perfectly clean patch through the barrel. Eventually I learned that so long as you cleaned the barrel decently, couldn't find any visual evidence of fouling after a few swabs, that it was time to run an oil patch down it and call it done.

The same applies to the AR-15. Clean it well, then preserve it. It's not necessary to make some armorer happy with a white glove inspection.
 
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I think the modern AR15 represents the pinnacle of the evolution of this weapon platform. It's about as good as it's ever really gonna get and it's pretty darned good IMO. It may not be perfect but it's pretty good. I wish the AR10 was as perfectly mil-spec as the AR15. I wish the AR15 was as perfectly chambered in 7.62 as the AR10. I wish the FN-FAL was as perfectly accurate as the AR15. I wish the HK91/93 was as perfectly easy on the brass, as perfectly ergonomic, as perfectly lightweight, and as perfectly modular as the AR15. I wish the SCAR16/17 were as perfectly priced as the AR15. I wish the AK47 was as perfectly accurate as the AR15. All these weapons are great but none of them is perfect. The AR15, however, has evolved over the past 60 years into a near perfect weapon IMO.
 
If you don't see it, I guess you don't see it. And the bolt gun comparison is a big stretch of the imagination from my perspective.
First he did say barely.
Second I can disassemble the bolt and replace the firing pin or remove the entire fire control group in an AR with nothing more than a bullet
 
How many firearms can the average person assemble at home with a minimum of tools and experience from just parts? And easily repair at home as well.
 
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It is a real job for some people.. #1 youtuber made 51 million dollars in 2021.. I dont make anywhere near that from my REAL college educated job.. Just sayin.
 
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A prepper without an abundance of spare parts isn't much of a prepper.

You specifically mentioned a receiver and a barrel. Those aren't typically considered spare parts.

Sure some spare parts are a good thing to have, but as I mentioned up thread, not all preppers are gun people or particularly mechanically inclined. It seems unreasonable to apply that concept - of spare parts and the knowledge to install them - onto every tool or piece of equipment a prepper may own. Again, a backup seems like a much simpler option. Particularly if you consider a barrel and a receiver "spare parts", because if they are then what part of the firearm isn't? Might as well buy a complete set of spare parts that already configured into a rifle.
 
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