Make the mini14 suck less or making the mini14 great again

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The mini14 loved by few, hated by many. It deserves to be loved. It introduced many new and old shooters to the possibility of a semiautomatic 223/5.56 rifle for half the price of an AR15 back in the day.
Dont say just get an AR15, I already have 2 that the government knows about.
I have an old mini14, that was made around 1980, so that piece of junk is about as old as I am. It has slipped into irreverency with the onset of cheap AR15s with their evil threaded muzzles, seductive 1:9 and 1:7 twist barrels and my love of silencers.
When I slugged the bore in the mini back around 2001 the lands measured 0.222'' and it's had at least several cases of ammo through it since then. The best factory ammo I was able to find in the late 1990s was a winchester 50 or 52gr flat base soft point, would make it so I could hit a page of note book paper at 100yd pretty much 100% of the time, till the barrel got hot, and my definition of hot back then was burning the oil off the barrel and out of the gas block. So the original 1:12 barrel is pretty much shot out. For comparison any factory ammo that shoots worse than 2.5 inches at 100yd out of my FN made A2 upper gets resold quickly and at a slight loss if need be. I don't even waste my time with it.
Now all my 223/5.56 ammo is reloads anything around 1.5 inches at 100 is acceptable. I don't load any 50gr flat base bullet. My current 55gr fmj bt load that could shoot okay in the mini14 and is my AR15 carbine load using around the start load of H322 but it does not cycle my mini14 at all, but it cycles an AR15 carbine with a silencer great, only a tiny bit over gassed with vltor H4 buffer. Only other rounds I load are a 69gr that probably wouldn't stabilize at all out of a 1:12 barrel and a 62gr fmj bt, but I already know my mini14 never liked any M855 style ammo, if I remember correctly I could hit a note book paper at 70yd most of the time with M855 style ammo.
So a new threaded 1:9 twist barrel will make all my AR15 loads shootable in the mini14 with a silencer. More than likely.
I'm only going for milspec accuracy of 3 or 4 moa. Right now it's best is at least 6moa with a bullet that doesn't exist any more. Making it shoot milspec would be making it suck less, shooting like an AR15 with 2 to 3 inch at 100yd would be great.
Enough about all that.
To make the mini14 great again, or at the very least not suck as much I was thinking buy a new already 1/2x28 threaded heavier 1:9 twist "581 and up" 99% finished barrel, just needs to be finished with a finishing reamer in 223rem, 223wyld or 5.56mm is my understanding. I already have a 5.56mm go and no go gauge set for mixing and matching barrels with bolts. My FN upper and a Delton barrel with DD BCG close tight on the go gauge and have great accuracy. The mini14 swallows the no-go gage like nothing. So that is what I would be reaming for, get it to close tight on the go gauge. I already bought the receiver support blocks to disassemble the mini14 years ago when I was going to just swap the pencil barrel for another pencil barrel but never did.
Obviously the original gas block for the pencil barrel won't accept the fatter barrel and turning the heavy barrel down to accept the original gas block defeats the purpose of the heavier barrel. So I was going to buy an aftermarket adjustable gas block with M14 inspired barrel stabilizer for a 581 barrel.
Will all that fit together like I think it will?
I can't find anyone who has actually done it.
 
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Ruger should be able to tell you if the barrel and parts will all line up and fit. stock, hand guard, piston .... lots of bits have to go together correctly.
 
The gas pipe on the gas block is the same on all mini14 and mini30 rifles and it is considered a wear part.
Apparently they were all made of stainless steel and mine was pitted when I got it in the late 1990s.
 
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I don't dis-like them. I've had 2 or 3 of them over the years. They were reliable and accurate enough. And when they were 1/2 to 1/3 the price of an AR they were a good value. At that time I couldn't justify paying $800-$1000 for an AR when Mini-14's were $300 new and around $250 used.

Today the opposite is true. A Mini is $900-$1000 and magazines are much more expensive and hard to find. AR's are $500-$1000 and magazines are everywhere and cheap. It's a purely economic decision for me. If I could still get a Mini-14 for less than an AR I'd buy one.
 
Why a 9" twist? You limit yourself too much. Consider an 8". Let's you go to 77 gr. Sierra.
1 Those 1:7 twist mini14 match barrels are real expensive, I can get a new factory takeoff barrel for like $120 from a place in CO.
2 I have both 1:7 and 1:9. I really don't need 1:7 twist.
3 there are hardly any hunting bullets that I would definitely need a 1:7 twist to stabilize. The expanding bullet selection for 71gr and up is barely there.
 
Sigh. Yet another Mini-14 diss thread. Get over it. It is what it is. I have one and I don't expect it to be a precision target rifle. It does well enough for what it's intended. If it's not good enough for what you intend, then get a different rifle.
 
I don't dis-like them. I've had 2 or 3 of them over the years. They were reliable and accurate enough. And when they were 1/2 to 1/3 the price of an AR they were a good value. At that time I couldn't justify paying $800-$1000 for an AR when Mini-14's were $300 new and around $250 used.

Today the opposite is true. A Mini is $900-$1000 and magazines are much more expensive and hard to find. AR's are $500-$1000 and magazines are everywhere and cheap. It's a purely economic decision for me. If I could still get a Mini-14 for less than an AR I'd buy one.
Adjust for inflation and they were $1,400 to $1,800 in today's money.
We can thank stupid gun grabbers for making them available for under $500 and in spooky versions. The gold rush of all that free advertising, popularity and proposed scarcity slamming the door on the number of guns out there.
 
Before you change out the barrel, try cutting the current one back 2 inches and put a clean crown on it. I was shocked at how much that improved one of my old mini14s. Its fairly consistent now at 2 to 3 MOA depending on ammo and no longer strings. I do have an eagle flash hider on it but no longer see any need for the mo-rod.

(Also I havent seen a 1 in 12 barrel on a mini, all of the originals were 1 in 10 with variations over the years of 1 in 7 and 1 in 9.
.http://sunflowerammo.blogspot.com/2012/11/ruger-mini-1430-barrel-twist-rates.html?m=1)
 
I love my mini family. I haven’t done anything with the 1k except for the stock. All three wear replacement stocks. The 30 and the 6.8 have trigger jobs. The 6.8 has a replacement barrel. I guess I just haven’t shot the 14 enough to want to mod it too much. Good luck with your project and let us know how it progresses. ASI did most of the work on mine.
 
The gas pipe on the gas block is the same on all mini14 and mini30 rifles and it is considered a wear part.
Apparently they were all made of stainless steel and mine was pitted when I got it in the late 1990s.

They were originally blued steel on the blued model. I bought my blued Mini-30 new in 1989 and it still has the original blued steel gas pipe in great condition. No pitting or other issues. I changed out the gas bushing several years back to a smaller diameter. I bought a new stainless gas pipe at the same time to put in my spare parts box. The 32-year-old blued gas pipe doesn't want to be replaced yet.

I'm the original owner, so I have a long-term perspective on how long the Mini can last and what shape it can stay in if properly maintained. I'm actually a little surprised because I did put quite a few rounds of Chinese corrosive Berdan primed rounds through this thing before I knew any better. I wasn't always older and wiser as I am now. That comes with years. I did clean my firearms after every range trip though. That was likely the saving grace.

As for cost considerations, at the time I could have bought two really good AK/AKM types, or one great AK plus two nice Yugo SKS types for what I paid for one Mini-30. There's something about the Ruger Mini that transcends cost considerations for many of us. The only debate going on in my head at the time was Mini-14 vs Mini-30. My choice was a good one in retrospect.

These days I'm sure a kindergartner's crayon drawing of any firearm would fetch $1500.00 on Gunbroker. Power to the sheeple!

(Where are my crayons?) :cool:
 
Sigh. Yet another Mini-14 diss thread. Get over it. It is what it is. I have one and I don't expect it to be a precision target rifle. It does well enough for what it's intended. If it's not good enough for what you intend, then get a different rifle.
It was great when they were half to a third the price of an AR15. Plus it's already done something a new rifle can't. The 4473 for that gun was never in my name and is dust in the wind, that gunshop had a very small fire several months later and I heard that all the 4473s they ever did were "destroyed" lol I mean awwww.
Times are changing, the newer mini14s are way better, but are way more expensive.
What I propose is make an old better than new for under $500, including a 223wylde finishing ream which I would use for other stuff or resell later on.
 
Before you change out the barrel, try cutting the current one back 2 inches and put a clean crown on it. I was shocked at how much that improved one of my old mini14s. Its fairly consistent now at 2 to 3 MOA depending on ammo and no longer strings. I do have an eagle flash hider on it but no longer see any need for the mo-rod.

(Also I havent seen a 1 in 12 barrel on a mini, all of the originals were 1 in 10 with variations over the years of 1 in 7 and 1 in 9.
.http://sunflowerammo.blogspot.com/2012/11/ruger-mini-1430-barrel-twist-rates.html?m=1)
Looks like mine is squarely in 1:10 territory.
I wonder why it hates heavier bullets so much, too much bbl whip?
I had always heard it won't stabilize heavier longer bullets like ss109, do remember shooting a refrigerator up a long time ago and I was surprised to see perfectly round holes at 200 to 250 yards. Still had trouble hitting a refrigerator at over 200yds, but it was "appartment size" by today's standards.
 
I picked up an early Mini-14 some years ago for less than the value of the nice Leupold scope, fancy sling and Burris bipod that some optimist had hung on it.
I pulled that overburden off of it and redistributed it on more appropriate carriers, bought a new side plate to replace that silly scope mount and tried the little gun out.
I wasn't particularly impressed, but hey, a functionally free gun.
It's still in my weapons archive,,, ,
 
Before you change out the barrel, try cutting the current one back 2 inches and put a clean crown on it. I was shocked at how much that improved one of my old mini14s. Its fairly consistent now at 2 to 3 MOA depending on ammo and no longer strings. I do have an eagle flash hider on it but no longer see any need for the mo-rod.

(Also I havent seen a 1 in 12 barrel on a mini, all of the originals were 1 in 10 with variations over the years of 1 in 7 and 1 in 9.
.http://sunflowerammo.blogspot.com/2012/11/ruger-mini-1430-barrel-twist-rates.html?m=1)

That will be my backup plan.
I bought a 580 barrel, if it fits, I can get it to head space and it appears that it will work, great I'll buy more stuff like the adjustable $230 gas block.
If the 580 bbl is just not going to work I'll resell it and I'm out $20 or $30.
Backup plan will be put an old style barrel back on, buy a used hopefully in better shape 0.56'' or whatever the old thinner barrels are, put the worse of the 2 barrels back on the gun, shoot all available ammo types through that bbl, cut an inch or half an inch off, recrown (I can do a backyard recrown job, done plenty of them) retest accuracy, cut, crown repeat as necessary to the "limit", hopefully it gets more accurate some where over 16 inches. Immediately remove and dissolve the cut barrel in peroxynitric acid, for reasons.
 
Before you change out the barrel, try cutting the current one back 2 inches and put a clean crown on it. I was shocked at how much that improved one of my old mini14s. Its fairly consistent now at 2 to 3 MOA depending on ammo and no longer strings. I do have an eagle flash hider on it but no longer see any need for the mo-rod.

(Also I havent seen a 1 in 12 barrel on a mini, all of the originals were 1 in 10 with variations over the years of 1 in 7 and 1 in 9.
.http://sunflowerammo.blogspot.com/2012/11/ruger-mini-1430-barrel-twist-rates.html?m=1)
I cut 5” or so off, groups like a heavy bbl now:)
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