Brand New CZ Duty is broked.

Sssshhhhhhhhhh!

Everyone's a range officer. That's why i shoot on my land, how I want, when I want. I teach my children proper safety and technique, and how I shoot is my business. If I get hurt or worse, no one to blame but myself. When others are shooting near me, I wear hearing protection, and alone I wear what I want, shoot how I want, and as much as I'd like or ammo allows. Safety nazis annoy me to no end.

meanmrmustard said:

Everyone's a range officer. That's why i shoot on my land, how I want, when I want. I teach my children proper safety and technique, and how I shoot is my business. If I get hurt or worse, no one to blame but myself. When others are shooting near me, I wear hearing protection, and alone I wear what I want, shoot how I want, and as much as I'd like or ammo allows. Safety nazis annoy me to no end.

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Same.

I follow the NRA rules to safe gun handling but I hate having someone watch over me like a hawk at public ranges waiting for me to make a mistake. In reality I'm less likely to make a mistake if I'm able to relax than if I have some dirt bag watching over me and making me nervous.

This is why I wait and shoot on family member's land instead.

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I find this post/thread very amusing. You can find similar ones on other forums too.

Gun breaks and the owner immediately has to get on a forum and give everyone a "heads -up" (Whine) about their problem. Why is this necessary??

Over the past several years, I've had two CZs and two Rugers go back to the factory (Shipping cost on the factory) for warranty work. Never had any complaints with customer services. Except for one which occurred over the Christmas/New Years holidays, all guns were back in my hand in about two weeks after the factory received the gun. And, I've never felt the need to get on a gun forum to advertise/discuss/look for sympathy regarding my problems with the gun.

By the way, when you call customer service, always be prepared by having all the necessary information (about the gun) at hand. Don't call from work and say I'll have to get back later with the info, I'm just calling now to see "what if" - your wasting the CS reps time.

Deal with the CS folks in a professional/mature manner and you will get much further along. And keep your problems to yourself.

get it back sell it and get something else. Then you will be done with CZ.
When something does not work like you feel it should and things did not go well with customer service, it is hard to feel good about that product.

I'm with Titan on this one. It is none of your business that he posted his experience on the boards. Anyone is entitled to do so.

If you have a problem with failure reports then stay out of the thread in question, it really is that simple.

Kiln said:

I'm with Titan on this one. It is none of your business that he posted his experience on the boards. Anyone is entitled to do so.

If you have a problem with failure reports then stay out of the thread in question, it really is that simple.

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You sweet on him or something?? The guy is WHINING! I mean, he is tattling on the CZ rep. Go to his boss and complain if you must. But, what are you trying to accomplish here on this forum?

@ TITAN308.

You seem real knowledgeable regarding the hellokitty web site.

The guy is WHINING!

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Yes, but he is whining about a gun related matter on a gun forum. Imagine if we didn't have members whining about a bad gun or how ammo is getting scarce or how a LGS screwed them. Imagine this forum if we forbid comparing ammo for one stop shots or which 9mm for carry or which 1 gun would you have if the SHTF or zombie apocolypse? Wait, how about another picture of a Glock or M&P? At least 1911s you can accessorize. How about another revolver vs semi thread? I know, how about a Kimber bashing thread? We can discuss the minimum caliber for carry! Point is, almost everything we discuss has been hashed and rehashed many times and if we limited this forum to no whining and no duplicate threads we'd have to close it down.

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Yes, but he is whining about a gun related matter on a gun forum. Imagine if we didn't have members whining about a bad gun or how ammo is getting scarce or how a LGS screwed them. Imagine this forum if we forbid comparing ammo for one stop shots or which 9mm for carry or which 1 gun would you have if the SHTF or zombie apocolypse? Wait, how about another picture of a Glock or M&P? At least 1911s you can accessorize. How about another revolver vs semi thread? I know, how about a Kimber bashing thread? We can discuss the minimum caliber for carry! Point is, almost everything we discuss has been hashed and rehashed many times and if we limited this forum to no whining and no duplicate threads we'd have to close it down.

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Yep. And, we'd probably be better off.

Titan had a valid failure with his firearm. He was reporting his subjective experience with CZ's customer service. I don't see a problem here. I'm not in a position to judge, as I have not had a need for CZ's CS. And I for one would really like to see how this turns out, so can't we all play nice so this thread doesn't get locked? Just once?

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I'm with Titan on this one. It is none of your business that he posted his experience on the boards. Anyone is entitled to do so.

If you have a problem with failure reports then stay out of the thread in question, it really is that simple.

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I've read all the messages here, including Titan's -- and his responses to some of the things I wrote. His original post and subsequent comments were NOT just a failure report. A number of us agreed with him that the failure of his P07 the first time out was NOT a good thing, and he got a lot of sympathy on that count. It was some of his other comments that stirred things up a bit.

And, contrary to your assertion above, it's all open for discussion. This is a discussion board.

On the other hand, you seem to be demonstrating a double standard when you tell Donato that he can't (i.e., isn't entitled to...) comment on the original poster's comments, but you feel free to comment on his (Donato's) posts.

There's something strange about that logic.

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I've read all the messages here, including Titan's -- and his responses to some of the things I wrote. His original post and subsequent comments were NOT just a failure report. A number of us agreed with him that the failure of his P07 the first time out was NOT a good thing, and he got a lot of sympathy on that count. It was some of his other comments that stirred things up a bit.

And, contrary to your assertion above, it's all open for discussion. This is a discussion board.

On the other hand, you seem to be demonstrating a double standard when you tell Donato that he can't (i.e., isn't entitled to...) comment on the original poster's comments, but you feel free to comment on his (Donato's) posts.

There's something strange about that logic.

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My point was if all you are going to contribute is: "don't post this" then feel free to avoid the thread.

Nobody forced the guy to come here and read OP's post knowing full well what the contents would be. My point was, if you don't like the content being discussed then there is nothing forcing you to take part in it.

I avoid discussions frequently because of that exact reason.

I for one am glad to hear that CZ has no issues sending a prepaid shipping label out for a firearm under warranty and covering any issues that come up. I'll leave the hurt feelings aside. I do thank you for your report Titan as it has reassured me that if I bought a CZ today and had an issue, there would be a shipping label to me quickly to replace or repair my firearm. That is enough for me.

Nobody forced the guy to come here and read OP's post knowing full well what the contents would be.

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How would anyone know "full well what the contents would be" without reading the contents?

I joined the discussion expecting a post about firearm failure and hoping for some technical details. I have no experience with the CZ P07, but am a big fan of the metal CZs; I wanted to know more about the P07.

It took us a while to get the details. Before all of the details came out, however, the discussion had expanded to include a screed addressing the dangers of guns failing when carried, and a critique of proper customer service techniques (and the best ways to soothe the savage Breast). Nobody forced any of us to read those comments and responses. But we did.

Donato seemed to feel that Titan went overboard in his criticism of a customer service rep's treatment of him. You felt Donato went overboard in his criticism of Titan. Some others think YOU went overboard in your criticisms of Donato. I think all of you are right.

These same things said a bit more gently might have made their intended points more effectively, but this format doesn't seem to lend itself to gentle or thoughtful presentations.

It's just so much easier to be DRAMATIC and watch the stuff hit the fan...

I'm looking forward to see how this story ends, how the factory-fixed P07 performs, and whether the OP sells it as he seems ready to do, once it is returned. I also am curious about the other five guns he bought, and how they're doing (and whether they will also fail when they're first used.)

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Let me try to be a little nicer, if I can.

To explain myself a bit: I’m not real attached to gun forums; I don’t have any friends and don’t want any. So when my gun breaks, I have no desire/need to get on a forum and discuss my gun’s problem with others. If the gun breaks, I know it’s broken so I get on the phone with customer service and make arrangements to get it fixed - that’s about it.

For those not like me and do posts like this (’mongst friends), I’d prefer to hear that my new gun broke (even something about what broke), gun was returned to factory on a prepaid label, gun was repaired and returned in xx weeks, all is well now.

I will admit that the OP didn’t really do a whine about the gun breaking so soon - the so heartbroken and disappointed and never going to buy another CZ rant, etc. I was most taken with the whine about CZ customer service. Agree with some others regarding the CZ CS. If they willingly offer to do a free/warranty repair to include shipping, you’re home free and that’s good service (also providing gun comes back fixed). And, I don’t care if the CS rep burps, farts or picks his teeth with a metal tooth pick while I’m on the phone with him.

Titan308, best of luck on your P-07. Both of my CZs came back from the factory in excellent working condition and never failed again even after many thousands of rounds.

By the time everyone is done complaining about Titan, his P-07 will be back from CZ with a new trigger spring in it.

See how ridiculous that kind of stuff sounds? You might as well go get a job at FOX News being a reporter.

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Well that certainly puts a new light on things!

donato said:

You sweet on him or something?? The guy is WHINING! I mean, he is tattling on the CZ rep. Go to his boss and complain if you must. But, what are you trying to accomplish here on this forum?

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It is always best to point out how someone is whining by whining yourself. If you see too much whining on message boards why not avoid them or at the very least do not contribute to the discussion. Posting on a topic that bothers you only bumps the topic back to the top and continues the discussion.

Or you can just whine about how too many people whine

TennJed said:

It is always best to point out how someone is whining by whining yourself. If you see too much whining on message boards why not avoid them or at the very least do not contribute to the discussion. Posting on a topic that bothers you only bumps the topic back to the top and continues the discussion.

Or you can just whine about how too many people whine

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Thank you.