Bulk ammo and the ATF

Hmm... learn a new word everyday. I had to look that one up. Yeah not sure, I don't think I live too near the border, but my LGS said he is supposed to report multiple rifle purchases. Funny enough the door bell ring while I was reading this thread, no one ever comes to my house. It was somebody looking for the old owners (I think she must have just got out of jail as we have owned this for 3 years). Still I was like no freaking way when the doorbell ring I was expecting ATF.

IF this is true, A) my money's on the carrier rather than the retailer as the rat; B) I'd expect pushback from the TX governor and attorney general SOON (TX sues for fed injunction a LOT); and C) I have an inlaw who'll be getting unwelcome attention soon... for perfectly legal activities that "worry" the ATF and their leash holders. I have concerns about the BATFE. They exist for legitimate law enforcement purposes. They have the potential to be abused as a domestic intelligence agency. I do not like the idea that the government is watching the citizenry with distrust... smacks of 1984.

Considering that something like this happened to a guy who ordered about 50 cases of ammo last year, I'm not surprised. In his case, it was a business card from a local FBI agent.

Bet if we could use a crystal ball, it's a delivery driver making the phone call to the Feds.

I read the business card story before.

I'll talk to my UPS guy, but people buy 1000 rounds with some level of frequency. Obama can't be that stupid.

Hmmm...one way to try and check on this would be to send an email to AIM or someone like that who sells (maybe most of!) their ammo in quantities of 1,000-2,000+ rounds, and see if they've heard anything. I'd definitely expect them to spill the beans if they know about it.

I hope I never have this happen because I may make some powerful enemies when I tell them to go pound sand!

This is not Tin Foil and the range owner later confirmed what had been said.

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That is so tinfoil, until and unless we have names, dates and places that can be confirmed.

.....and the range owner later confirmed what had been said.

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Right....., so dont buy your ammo by the case online, where thy will come to your house, buy it by the box from the shop owner, and let him take the risks for you.

Maybe we need discreet packaging for ammo now, like the Penthouse and Playboy used to come in, or maybe pack it in coffee grounds.............................

Good man! Thanks!

UPS guy doesn't know how much ammo nor what caliber, the box just says, ORM-D Ammunition for Small Arms. The package could contain 50 rounds of .22LR and 30 pounds of hunting socks and it would have that sticker.

I bought 50 pounds of small pistol primers once. (group buy for my bullseye league) The Fedex guy dropped them off *late* in the day, I think it was about 6:00. I told him I thought he'd be in more of a hurry to get a big box of high explosives off his truck. He didn't have a clue what it was.

NO ticky, NO lookey !

Sounds like a cinderella story. Let's see them feets, sister! yer going to jail!

My barber says I need a haircut (he's right at the moment, but that's not the point)
The local ammo shop says I shouldn't order online to get ammo in bulk, the feds might harass me about it

Seriously, without a substantiated or first-person account, this is more likely to be a myth generated to either:
1 - sell more ammo over the counter (seriously, the SHOP doesn't order ammo in bulk?)
2 - make the BATFEIEIO look more intimidating
3 - pass the boring hours in a gun shop

There is no way to tell what's in a box, other than a single round of ammunition requiring an ORM-D sticker/label. The CMP sells pallets of ammo to regular folks, match shooters order mass quantities, clubs get together and make group buys ... hell, I've split an order with someone, and I'm just some random guy living a stone's throw from the border with Canadia.

If F-troop comes to your door asking about the ammo, ask to see a warrant and get names from all the clowns trying to intimidate you, then politely close the door.
But they won't, the manpower isn't there and the organization it would take to gather that info AND act on it doesn't exist, these are the dregs of the fedgov we're talking about, they can barely sell guns to criminals on time or under budget, they aren't investigating your bulk ammo purchase, and if they were they'd screw it up somehow.

And for some related pictures:



A related link:
http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/ammo.htm
Look at the CMP sale site there
They recently sold out of AP 30.'06 ammo
They sell .223 by the case (I got a discount diring the national matches, even! 30carbine, too!)
They're selling "Aguila .22LR Caliber Target - 1200 fps - 5000 Round Case" for $305 +S&H (I know a guy who orders a couple of these for a youth rifle team every year)

I wonder if this might be something for one of the gun rights writers to look into?

Last year in Norway around Christmas time they had a butter shortage. You know them Norwegians. They busted a whole bunch of them.. deservedly so?

Cripes, the press animal freaks out when the possibility exists that someone, somewhere - might, just maybe, own 100 rounds. No need to feed the beast.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/5358

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Sounds like someone doesn't like to lift weights, though that's their job.

I had my mailman inquire about a heavy flat rate box.

The conversation went something like this:

"what's in here, lead?"

"sure is" I said. "I'm casting bullets!"

His response was "I have a .380, if you ever make any .380 bullets, hook me up!"

A year later he asked if I had any bullets for him yet. My Mailman is pretty cool.