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The way that the newest video games may hurt the cause is it takes the previously introverted child and allows him to go home from school, where he was picked on and made fun of (it does exist) and he plugs into his video game system and he takes out his hurt and aggression on these interactive games. He has a first person vantage and this child, who is depressed and angry, becomes the hero who saves the day.

This is probably a good thing as it helps these kids get self esteem. However, those who are at a mental disadvantage don't see the right from wrong and good from evil aspect. Something inside of them can't separate the fantasy from the reality. In years past, often times these hurt kids would commit suicide and we'd hear about it on the news or not at all. Last page stuff. Now, it's front page internet news when someone takes lives needlessly because he is getting back at those who hurt him. It's not the healthy, normal kids who play these games who are the future killers but it's the ones who cannot separate between the game and real life. I doubt we could even see this in our kids or in our neighbor's kids or classmates. One day someone makes fun of them and they snap.

Every kid who plays these games will not become a killer but I feel that these mass killers are ones who would have previously just retracted from society or tragically took their own life. Now they go out in a blaze of glory because they know how. They do it every night when they save the world on their game systems.

These tragedies are so rare that I seriously doubt you could come up with viable statistics to predict anything. We all have a better chance of winning the lottery or dying in a plane crash than getting killed by a deranged shooter but people do win the lottery, people do die in plane crashes and people do go out and commit mass murder. It's a statistical anomoly that has tragic results.

The NRA is deflecting the attention from the gun to the person, as it should be. It is up to us, as a sociaty, to figure out how to pay for better security at schools if we want this protection. If every parent was told it would cost them $100 a year for school security I don't see many who would say no except the poor. In those cases the government will do their thing and pick up the tab and we all pay with higher taxes. We can't say we want better school security with no new taxes. My suggestion is to allow any teacher who wants to carry, to carry, and to provide them with enough training to make it effective and safe. I'd rather pay for training of staff than another armed guard. Make it voluntary. I'm sure every anti-gun parent would sleep better knowing someone at their kid's school was able to confront an attacker, if needed. The 2 adults who threw themselves at the shooter would have been able to be more effective if they had a gun instead of just their body. They are the heros here. Too bad we couldn't allow them the means to finish the task they took on.
 
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With all due respect, those freaking out about the video games are missing the point. This point is that there are multiple factors at work, and the left's call for blanket gun control is not the answer. I also appreciate the fact that the media was called out, which needed to happen. Playing nice is not going to get it done this time, IMO.
 
Ah yes, Grossman the self-proclaimed "Killology" expert who predicted a massive surge in violent crime rates as a result of video games two decades ago.

I read his book On Killing and listened to a book on tape after my third deployment and before my fourth, fifth, and sixth. Or something like that. I don't mean to imply I have some special insight (as I don't.) My only point is I recalled some of the things he brought up. And it seems we're revisiting them now. It might be worth consideration. The NRA seems to think so.


"The reason this didn't happen in the past is because in the past the people who have voices in their heads telling them to chop up babies were being cared for in state-funded asylums. They were not being let loose on the streets or stuck with families ill-equipped to handle their problems."

When I was a kid, I'm only 34, many people I knew kept guns up on display proudly all over their houses. No one went on shooting sprees that I recall. From what you wrote above, this was because they were all locked up (the sick) in asylums. I'm trying to figure out, wrap my head around it fully, but I can't seem to get there.

Let me say I'm an advocate of all civil rights regardless under which amendments they're specified. I do not advocate a call to censorship as some means of curbing violence. However, there are real differences in culture between now and 20 years ago that need to be explored. The NRA is doing the right thing to bring up there are other considerations. Where they go from here, I don't know.
 
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The media needs to be called out just as much as the current administration does. They work in tandem.
 
Wayne brought up video games, not to blame them, but to show the inconsistencies in the media, and how they're focus is not on facts, or solving anything.

I think Wayne did an amazing job, I think he may have swayed some fence-sitters, and I think that whether you like the NRA or not, you need to realize that they're THE largest pro-gun force in Washington, and need all the members they can get. You may not like being spoken-for, and you may not like all, much, or any of what they do, but if gun-owners do not unite, we will inevitably fail at retaining our Second Amendment rights.
 
i just finished reading the transcript.....and i must say, i thought they did a good job.

i wish they would have delved more into the mental health aspect of it, but i think they did good by suggesting a realistic plan of action, and making resources available free of cost to implement that plan..they made really good points that are hard to debate, we protect our president with guns, so why not our kids?

rather than just say XXXX was the problem, they stepped up to the plate and offered a solution.
 
Halal Pork,

I've been to Col Grossman's seminars, and the man does have some good points. But, there's more to the issue than what he alludes to with violent video games being combat simulators. Arguably, millions of kids have played these games without harming anyone, just as millions of gun owners have owned guns without harming anyone. The root issue probably concerns the upbringing of the individual killer, and our society's inability to deal with his troubled nature before a catastrophe happens.

Anyway, the NRA did make some good points during their speech, but I'm with Cosmoline is saying that some of what they stated about video games sounded absurd.
Thanks for your points and I think you're correct. I never thought Grossman's assertions were the end of the discussion. Obviously, these people (mass murderers) are mentally ill. What I try to consider is this: why are things so different now; what exactly has changed? I honestly don't know the answer. I'm certain though that, from my limited point of view, the availability of guns is not the variable as they were much more readily gotten in the past. The NRA might be wrong about video games but they're not reinventing the wheel in their talking points. It's worth discussing and fleshing out.
 
I was a kid in the '70's, but I remember when the mental health institutions closed down. At least I remember my dad talking about it, and noticing a lot more people around town with no real place to go. Fast forward a few decades, with more meds, less care, more coddling for even the "normal" kids or whatever, combined with a more than ever self centered, "me me me" society, and that can be a volatile mix for some. Taking the issue away from guns has to be done, because the real issue is not the guns. It's a waste of time to go down that road again. Maybe we as a society can be smart.
 
Sounds like a good liberal, left wing, anti-gun spammer/troll. Bye!, you won't be missed...
 
You know, not everyone who doesn't exactly match your views is some kind of sleeper agent troll.

If you don't agree with someone's positions, go ahead and refute them.

If your best response is, "DURRR, TROLL!", keep it to yourself or report the post and the staff will investigate.
 
Sounds like a good liberal, left wing, anti-gun spammer/troll. Bye!, you won't be missed...
Make your points. Don't reduce yourself to that. We're better than that and, if we're not, we ought to try to be. Look forward to reading why he's wrong.
 
He didn't mention the psych meds that most of the shooters were on, did he?
 
Lack of credibility

Four pages of comments and NOBODY has mentioned the news conference being interupted twice by protestors? The NRA looked like they were caught totally unprepared. During a presser where the NRA proposed security measures to protect the schools? Are you kidding me??? Talk about a lack of credibility. For me it completely distracted and caused doubt to be cast on an otherwise positive set of proposals.

I support the NRA. I am a member. I renew yearly because it is a form of voting with my pocketbook to hold leadership accountable.

I was very disappointed in the NRA leadership today that they failed to anticipate
and have an effective plan in place to deal with protestors. How the Hades was anybody allowed to walk down and place themselves between press and the podium and stand there displaying that banner for what seemed like an eternity unchallenged? There should have been security shadowing any suspicious characters like that guy with the banner. Did they think he was moving to the podium to sign for the blind? How do you propose that the NRA helps to provide a secure environment for the schools when you can't even secure your own presser addressing security???!!!

I generally agreed with the message. I am not happy with the execution of the presser. They have been entrusted with our trust and this too crucial to mess up.

I won't be dropping my membership, but I will be letting them know I expect better preparation or I expect new leadership.

 
Slidemuzik-

I personally dont think that made the NRA looked bad at all after/during the interuptions. If anything I think it worked in their favor, to so the true disrespect of the "other" side.
 
The flaw lies in assuming Wayne, you or that guy over there is going to effectively keep acts like this from happening in a free society.

Hell, we can't get a handle on a seemingly simple act like universally outlawing distracted driving with the thousands that that ends up killing.

I don't advocate not caring but what I do say is that to dramatically change the lives of over 300 million people based upon the acts of very-very few is just plain silly.
 
I think the way Wayne handled the protests showed patience. He wasn't negative towards them and all he did was wait patiently for security to remove them, then gently shake his head. Even though I don't like seeing protesters at nra related events, they have a right to be there just the same, maybe not blocking camera view, but still a right to be there.
 
Four pages of comments and NOBODY has mentioned the news conference being interupted twice by protestors? The NRA looked like they were caught totally unprepared. During a presser where the NRA proposed security measures to protect the schools? Are you kidding me??? Talk about a lack of credibility. For me it completely distracted and caused doubt to be cast on an otherwise positive set of proposals.

I support the NRA. I am a member. I renew yearly because it is a form of voting with my pocketbook to hold leadership accountable.

I was very disappointed in the NRA leadership today that they failed to anticipate
and have an effective plan in place to deal with protestors. How the Hades was anybody allowed to walk down and place themselves between press and the podium and stand there displaying that banner for what seemed like an eternity unchallenged? There should have been security shadowing any suspicious characters like that guy with the banner. Did they think he was moving to the podium to sign for the blind? How do you propose that the NRA helps to provide a secure environment for the schools when you can't even secure your own presser addressing security???!!!

I generally agreed with the message. I am not happy with the execution of the presser. They have been entrusted with our trust and this too crucial to mess up.

I won't be dropping my membership, but I will be letting them know I expect better preparation or I expect new leadership.

I am often disappointed by lobbyists and political parties as well. And that's why I flex my support here and there. If you're unhappy with the NRA, give your money to another advocate,

I'm a life member of GOA, NRA, and GRNC.
 
When you read the entire transcript, it's a pretty good response I think. About the best he could have done, at this point. He made good points, and presented at least a partial solution, which is more than we've gotten so far. That Gallup poll is good news as well. I think this may galvanize many people. Or I should say that is already has. I've cruised this site for years, but only joined after this, because it's important (been an NRA member for some time though). Just like the huge amount of sales in the last week. That HAS to send a message. This issue is important to people, and they are making their voices heard, in spite of the media.
 
I was a kid in the '70's, but I remember when the mental health institutions closed down. At least I remember my dad talking about it, and noticing a lot more people around town with no real place to go.
Yup. In New York City, they were loading them on busses and dropping them off at Grand Central Terminal: "Here's your new home."

I'm not a big fan of the Nanny State, but some people need nannies because they can't regulate their own behavior in a socially acceptable manner. I'm a teacher, and we deal with them every year. I'm not talking about people with mild problems, who can be successfully mainstreamed: I welcome them with open arms. I'm talking about ticking time bombs who are only walking around among us because society no longer wants to pick up their tab or because their parents won't let go of the illusion that little Johnny can make it in the world -- or both.

I had a very good friend who took his own life because he didn't have the self-discipline to stay on his meds. Of course he didn't: he was mentally ill. He was institutionalized for a while, but they released him to his mother's care (he was in his forties) with a fistful of scrips. That didn't work out so well. I would rather visit him in the institution than at his grave, but that's not an option now.

I don't think that video games are harmful to normal, well-adjusted people. To people with severe personality disorders and mental illnesses, though, they are like fuel on the fire. The same goes for violent television shows. All the more reason that people with these problems need to be in controlled environments.
 
Exactly. It may not be "politically correct" to say, but it is what it is. I know they say "two is not a trend" but when you have many shootings, and one common theme is mental illness, I'd put my money on that being one of the larger contributing factors.
 
I am a gun owner and if they want volunteers to help protect schools, I'll do it!
They will provide the extra training (which is great) and I will provide a measure of security.
I think it's a win win!
Get enough people and it can be done in shifts so I can work my primary job. Then show up at the school on days off to "work my shift"!
 
"Armed security in every school" I think it's a great idea...but why is he volunteering the rest of us pay for it?

I found that rather outrageous considering...sorry at this point I feel this is a completely political topic....Republicans/conservatives are actively involved in fighting for lower taxes and smaller govt.

There has been a great deal of finger-pointing at the Democrats this week...some of it justified...but shifting the responsibility/consequences around isnt helping.

I agree more security is a good idea...and parents and school boards should find a way to pay for it....fund-raising, etc. Arent charities where Republicans say we should look for entitlements, not the govt?
 
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