HorseSoldier
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Atlanta now probably is what Denver was a couple decades ago, in terms of a draw for anti-2A voters from elsewhere. I wouldn't feel too secure with that sprawling metroplex in my electoral pool.
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Atlanta now probably is what Denver was a couple decades ago, in terms of a draw for anti-2A voters from elsewhere. I wouldn't feel too secure with that sprawling metroplex in my electoral pool.
HorseSoldier
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This probably warrants its on thread to maximize visibility and distribution.
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Liberals and freedom are mutually exclusive.
JohnsXDM
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+1 Living in Illinois sucks too!
This problem goes way past Libs and Dems moving to your state. You have to look at WHY they moved there and WHY they vote the way they do. Middle aged (or older) works for many years and want to retire and move away from crime. They want to move somewhere with a view that's not smog infested and polluted water. They want safety and security. So Colorado here we come!! But there's a problem. Who to vote for. Do you vote democratic and have the promise of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, a promise to reduce crime by outlawing certain guns and ammo? Or do you vote Republican and the (media promised) higher taxes, more crime by less government regulation so they must not care, and
government cuts to all senior programs so they can keep the rich, rich?
Really seems like a no brainer to me. Especially since probably 95% of Americans get their news from biased news channels.
The problem is defeating the news organizations that put this crap out. People listen to what they are bombarded with, no matter what side it's on. People, for the most part, are to concerned with their lives to research news sources or stories. There's to many other things to do that entertain them. So they take what the media says with a grain of salt..... But they still take it.
Personally I vote based off of 2 things. Guns and taxes. Some may call me simple minded. That there are many more factors to be considered when voting. My reply is "Why? If the man (or woman) will support my right to have the ability to take him out, he's much less likely to do something (insane taxes) that will cause me to want to do so."
Colorado has a long road to hoe. But it can be done. I write letters to many states that are currently proposing gun legislation. And I am very thankful that I live in Oklahoma. But I write my officials here too. Keep them all in check.
I hope this fight is won by an absolute landslide in 2014. I don't feel sorry for you. I hope this "Has awakend the sleeping giant and instilled in it the will to fight." You don't need pity. You need to get pissed off and fight back. Best of luck to you all.
government cuts to all senior programs so they can keep the rich, rich?
Really seems like a no brainer to me. Especially since probably 95% of Americans get their news from biased news channels.
The problem is defeating the news organizations that put this crap out. People listen to what they are bombarded with, no matter what side it's on. People, for the most part, are to concerned with their lives to research news sources or stories. There's to many other things to do that entertain them. So they take what the media says with a grain of salt..... But they still take it.
Personally I vote based off of 2 things. Guns and taxes. Some may call me simple minded. That there are many more factors to be considered when voting. My reply is "Why? If the man (or woman) will support my right to have the ability to take him out, he's much less likely to do something (insane taxes) that will cause me to want to do so."
Colorado has a long road to hoe. But it can be done. I write letters to many states that are currently proposing gun legislation. And I am very thankful that I live in Oklahoma. But I write my officials here too. Keep them all in check.
I hope this fight is won by an absolute landslide in 2014. I don't feel sorry for you. I hope this "Has awakend the sleeping giant and instilled in it the will to fight." You don't need pity. You need to get pissed off and fight back. Best of luck to you all.
Large metropolitan areas are very dangerous. Take a look at the hunting ban in the UK if you want to see how dangerous. The majority of the UK population live in city's or urban sprawl. They don't hunt never have so when the socialist's pushed a hunting ban they were ambivilant. The minority conservative countryside were trampled under a big red boot.
It can happen here. I live in GA our Gov' is a weak southern Democrat masquerading as a republican. He voted for the mess that is the Lautenberg amendment as a congressmen. He is already spouting expansion of background checks including some kind of mental screening. This state revolves around Atlanta. A blue blemish, but a powerful one.
It can happen here. I live in GA our Gov' is a weak southern Democrat masquerading as a republican. He voted for the mess that is the Lautenberg amendment as a congressmen. He is already spouting expansion of background checks including some kind of mental screening. This state revolves around Atlanta. A blue blemish, but a powerful one.
leprechaun50
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Minnesota is feeling the same problems with the Mpls/St. Paul metro areas. We are being bombarded with the liberal agenda from those areas. Seriously, who in their right mind would vote for a washed-up comedian? Thanks to organizations like the GOCRA we are fighting back but it is an uphill battle.
sansone
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me too, and I'm on the east coast
GOCRA, and the NRA - ILA may have saved our ass in the communist state of MN. All you MN pro gun people did an outstanding job last night. Keep up the fight. Personally I send over 100 e-mails daily to State and Fed. legislators from as many different e-mail addresses as I have.
This. Example: Harry Reid. He is as anti-gun as they come. He fears the NRA and backlash for his own party over an AWB vote. That is the only thing that holds him in check. If he could get an AWB through, he would hold a vote and pass anti gun legislation in a heartbeat. As long as folks in close states allow these people to stay in office, there will always be a risk that antigun factions will be passing laws in the middle of the night. They will abandon their pro gun constituencies the very SECOND that they perceive a tipping point has been reached (ala Colorado). You cannot vote in social liberals and expect them to ignore guns. You cannot be a socially liberal state and expect your gun rights to remain intact.
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My only brother lives in Alaska but was a former Colorado resident (moved to AK more than 35 years ago...). As we talked about the new laws for Colorado he pointed out that all those years ago when he lived in a rural area of the state folks were concerned about the people moving there from California (he called it "California"). Seems those concerns weren't just bar talk... Hope folks in that state wake up and learn from their mistakes.
klcmschlesinger
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I know those of us in Illinois are not laughing at Colorado. We are in a constant fight here and we know how easily it can all be lost. Fight as hard as you can, just as we have been doing for decades.
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I feel sorry for Colorado, but the idea that the state of Colorado is "conservative" or "moderate" certainly hasn't been true in my lifetime. Too many filthy rich snobs in that state. I had a job interview in Fort Morgan once, and I beat feet out of there because of the liberal sentiments I found. 
No, it seems to me the state falls in relatively the same class as Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois. A place you would expect to see conservative traditional values, but instead its dominated by a wealthy freedom-hating elite.
No, it seems to me the state falls in relatively the same class as Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois. A place you would expect to see conservative traditional values, but instead its dominated by a wealthy freedom-hating elite.
Exactly MachIVshooter.I've seen more than a few "Thank god I live in (insert state)" kind of replies here and elsewhere. Those folks are the ones who really need to open their eyes and take note. We were one of those states, and if this trend continues, TX, WY, MT and all the others will be "used to" places as well.
Many people respond to adversity with denial and arrogance. When we talk of places like NJ, NY, MD, IL, DC, etc. and their extremely restrictive gun laws there are those of us who don't seem to be willing to admit that not too long ago most of the US was that way too. Unless we live in AK, AZ or VT our laws truly aren't that much better than those locations anyway. Any state that requires a citizen to have a permit to carry something that the citizen can legally own, whether open or concealed, is only marginally better.
Anywhere an unconstitutional law exists "in this country", it's a threat "to us all". The apathetic, self centered and defeatist attitudes do nothing but allow the anti-gun footholds to exist. Americans are Americans regardless of what state we come from. I support all pro-2A people whatever state they reside in.
Oh, but they are. They really, really are.
How many of Georgia's legislators are ready to vote in favor of Constitutional carry for all citizens? That includes both concealed and open carry.
Shall issue weapon carry licenses, handguns in your car without a license, open carry of long guns without a license, open/concealed carry of handguns and concealed carry of long guns with the license, license only requiring an application/fingerpints/$60 and it arrives a couple of weeks later, no "AWB", no mag capacity bans, no purchase permits, face to face sales legal, machine guns legal, suppressors legal, short barrel rifles legal, short barrel shotguns legal, state pre-emption...tell me, which one among NJ, NY, MD, IL, DC can match that? Or even pretend to come close?
You didn't answer my question.Shall issue weapon carry licenses, handguns in your car without a license, open carry of long guns without a license, open/concealed carry of handguns and concealed carry of long guns with the license, license only requiring an application/fingerpints/$60 and it arrives a couple of weeks later, no "AWB", no mag capacity bans, no purchase permits, face to face sales legal, machine guns legal, suppressors legal, short barrel rifles legal, short barrel shotguns legal, state pre-emption...tell me, which one among NJ, NY, MD, IL, DC can match that? Or even pretend to come close?
22-rimfire
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I am certainly not laughing. I hate to see this happen and I never thought it would happen in Colorado. I knew you had the gunshow thing happen a couple of years ago in Denver, but that was not state wide.
I don't favor any kind of carry permit program to be conducted at the Federal level. A law that simply states that carrying a firearm is constitutional is not a problem, but why would they pass such a law?
I don't favor any kind of carry permit program to be conducted at the Federal level. A law that simply states that carrying a firearm is constitutional is not a problem, but why would they pass such a law?
I feel we are already way off topic, and going further off topic isn't appropriate.
If you would like to discuss whether or not states like GA are really much better than NJ, NY, MD, IL, DC I'd be happy to go into every little detail you are willing to put up with in another thread. Just link it here and I'll join you.
I'm not attacking you. We're on the same side and Georgia's laws are better. It's just that they're no where near where they should be.I feel we are already way off topic, and going further off topic isn't appropriate.
If you would like to discuss whether or not states like GA are really much better than NJ, NY, MD, IL, DC I'd be happy to go into every little detail you are willing to put up with in another thread. Just link it here and I'll join you.
Requiring a license to do something that shouldn't require a license is only one step better than banning it all together or only allowing it to an elite few. My state, VA, is no better.
We need to not allow ourselves to get complacent especially when it's obvious or right there in front of us that our legislators don't fully trust us.
Any one of us that live in supposed "free states" could be under the same yoke in a few years, or given another school shooting or something of that like, a few months. The media and the libs are quick to take advantage of the pathos that these sort of stories invoke in audiences.
Unfortunatly for those of us in "free states", California and other blue states are often spreading their filth in the form of their former citizenry moving to our states with their perverse idealogy and gun grabbing mentality still close to their hearts. They often are well armed with plenty of money to buy homes and land in our states, creating even more of an incentive to flock to our "free states". I saw this personally in Utah and later on, in Idaho. I now live in Texas, but I still see this trend even here. (not to mention all the illegals coming across the border also tending to vote for Dems, even though they don't have a right to vote)
Bottom line is, we all have to realize that any one of us could be in Colorado's shoes in short order. Social issues like gay marriage, reproductive "rights", women's rights, and economic issues are covering the real issue of members of government trying to wrestle more control over the people. While lemmings that are sympathetic to the aforementioned issues will cast their ballots in favor of candidates that support these issues, they are also casting an automatic vote for more government intrusion and control.(i.e. mandatory BGC, mag restrictions, etc...) Firearms ownership is one of the major lynch pins that is needed to be curbed in order for this to be realized.
This is only the beginning.
Unfortunatly for those of us in "free states", California and other blue states are often spreading their filth in the form of their former citizenry moving to our states with their perverse idealogy and gun grabbing mentality still close to their hearts. They often are well armed with plenty of money to buy homes and land in our states, creating even more of an incentive to flock to our "free states". I saw this personally in Utah and later on, in Idaho. I now live in Texas, but I still see this trend even here. (not to mention all the illegals coming across the border also tending to vote for Dems, even though they don't have a right to vote)
Bottom line is, we all have to realize that any one of us could be in Colorado's shoes in short order. Social issues like gay marriage, reproductive "rights", women's rights, and economic issues are covering the real issue of members of government trying to wrestle more control over the people. While lemmings that are sympathetic to the aforementioned issues will cast their ballots in favor of candidates that support these issues, they are also casting an automatic vote for more government intrusion and control.(i.e. mandatory BGC, mag restrictions, etc...) Firearms ownership is one of the major lynch pins that is needed to be curbed in order for this to be realized.
This is only the beginning.
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