breakingcontact
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I don't think criminals are more attracted to the cities with restrictive gun control laws, but I do think the criminal element there gets more brazen. Another factor is if the criminal justice system has teeth or not.
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Queen_of_Thunder
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El Paso Texas is the safest large city in the U.S.A. Last year was a bad year for us with 12 murders. Kinda strange considering this is Texas and you know Texans are armed and with Juarez on the other side of the river with El Paso you are forced to conclude that its not guns but people who cause problems.
Okiegunner
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Hmmm...
Political correctness aside.
Where there is smoke there is fire. Two plus two equals four. It is what it is.
All of the major crime cities seem to share a very common demographic. Poverty seems to breed more poverty and government handouts become a way of life for people. Learning how to be on the dole and commit crimes becomes a skill set passed down from one generation to the next.
More stringent and draconian gun laws are not the answer. Enforcing the current laws and teaching folks self reliance would seem to be more in line with an approach that could work.
Just saying...
Political correctness aside.
Where there is smoke there is fire. Two plus two equals four. It is what it is.
All of the major crime cities seem to share a very common demographic. Poverty seems to breed more poverty and government handouts become a way of life for people. Learning how to be on the dole and commit crimes becomes a skill set passed down from one generation to the next.
More stringent and draconian gun laws are not the answer. Enforcing the current laws and teaching folks self reliance would seem to be more in line with an approach that could work.
Just saying...
wvshooter
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I live in WV and a number of years ago some out of state outlaw bikers took up residence in the rural county which is next door to my own county. They behaved badly with the locals for a few months but it didn't last. Three or four of them died from shotgun blasts received from passing pickup trucks. The rest left the area before getting the treatment. Shades of Easy Rider.
Trail must have been cold because no one was ever charged.
Reloadron
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Heading down WV way in a few weeks. Please don't run off the green truck from Ohio. Going to see friends in Webster Springs area then continue down to NC for a few weeks.
I love it down in that area. Absolutely love the place!
Ron
Heading down WV way in a few weeks. Please don't run off the green truck from Ohio. Going to see friends in Webster Springs area then continue down to NC for a few weeks.
I love it down in that area. Absolutely love the place!
Ron
All true.
I remember few years ago when when 3 California gangbangers came to Kingman, AZ and was robbing people on the street. All was going well until a 19 year old pulled out a 9mm and popped one in the belly a couple of times.
At his arrest in the hospital, he was ranting about it should be illegal for just anyone to carry concealed guns.
http://www.kingmanaznews.com/main.asp?TypeID=1&ArticleID=41722&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=797&Page=3
I remember few years ago when when 3 California gangbangers came to Kingman, AZ and was robbing people on the street. All was going well until a 19 year old pulled out a 9mm and popped one in the belly a couple of times.
At his arrest in the hospital, he was ranting about it should be illegal for just anyone to carry concealed guns.
http://www.kingmanaznews.com/main.asp?TypeID=1&ArticleID=41722&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=797&Page=3
If anyone, besides the person who sent me hateful PMs because I stated Detroit has bad control laws and apparently if I live in WV I'm a backwards redneck and I can have no right to an opinion (even though I wasn't born nor raised here), I was referring to:
http://www.squidoo.com/detroitccw
1. Three day waiting period
2. Handgun registration
3. 10 day handgun purchase permits- Must apply at your local LEO and must pass a safety questionnaire with a score of 70% or better.
If you think waiting periods, registration, purchase permits, tests, etc....are perfectly reasonable then you would disagree with my statement. I think they are "ridiculous" as I stated earlier. As far as I'm concerned the only thing missing from the list is handgun or assault rifle bans. They have done nothing to deter or prevent crime in Detroit nor would I compare it to other states/cities as an example of a city with "reasonable" gun control laws. Feel free to disagree, its just an opinion like everything else on this forum.
http://www.squidoo.com/detroitccw
1. Three day waiting period
2. Handgun registration
3. 10 day handgun purchase permits- Must apply at your local LEO and must pass a safety questionnaire with a score of 70% or better.
If you think waiting periods, registration, purchase permits, tests, etc....are perfectly reasonable then you would disagree with my statement. I think they are "ridiculous" as I stated earlier. As far as I'm concerned the only thing missing from the list is handgun or assault rifle bans. They have done nothing to deter or prevent crime in Detroit nor would I compare it to other states/cities as an example of a city with "reasonable" gun control laws. Feel free to disagree, its just an opinion like everything else on this forum.
Lizard1911
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1) Michigan has NO waiting period, therefore Detroit has NO waitnig period.
2) Michigan has a "registration", therefore Detroit has a "registration" process
3) Michigan purchase permits are valid for 10 days. they are available at ANY
police or Sheriff Dept, if one does not like Detriot's system, one may go elsewhere.
Yes Michigan has some funky gun laws. One might learn what those laws are, before
disparaging them.
2) Michigan has a "registration", therefore Detroit has a "registration" process
3) Michigan purchase permits are valid for 10 days. they are available at ANY
police or Sheriff Dept, if one does not like Detriot's system, one may go elsewhere.
Yes Michigan has some funky gun laws. One might learn what those laws are, before
disparaging them.
So by your logic the laws of New York City and Chicago are no different than the laws of New York State and Illinois? Sorry but that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
In my opinion registration is ridiculous whether on the state of city level. Detroit was the city in question so you are making no point there.
The site I referenced stated there was a three day waiting period. I don't know if that was true or not but for the next Detroit lover who wants to get on my ignore list for attacking me for what wasn't even an inflammatory statement here is a link to the Municipal Code for the City of Detroit. You can judge for yourself since if you live in WV you aren't allowed to have an opinion.
http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10649
Apparently, Detroit is a third rail topic and I'll gladly not speak of it again. Ever.
In my opinion registration is ridiculous whether on the state of city level. Detroit was the city in question so you are making no point there.
The site I referenced stated there was a three day waiting period. I don't know if that was true or not but for the next Detroit lover who wants to get on my ignore list for attacking me for what wasn't even an inflammatory statement here is a link to the Municipal Code for the City of Detroit. You can judge for yourself since if you live in WV you aren't allowed to have an opinion.
http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10649
Apparently, Detroit is a third rail topic and I'll gladly not speak of it again. Ever.
Stevie-Ray
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As Ronald Reagan would say, It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Reloadron
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Makes for some interesting discussion. While I do not live in Detroit or Chicago I ended up in the Cleveland, Ohio suburbs. I ended up here around '72 the first time and as far back as I can remember The City of Cleveland had their own laws. Living in the city limits of Cleveland handgun registration was mandatory. Additionally Cleveland at some point added an assault weapon ban defining their own version of assault weapon. Here in Ohio this was not common to Cleveland either. Several towns and cities had their own little laws.
The problem with this becomes apparent. If I am driving to the range and that drive takes me through Cleveland and I get stopped I face some problems. The same was true of any of these towns and cities with their own laws. Finally enough was enough and the matter went to The Ohio Supreme Court. The cities argued that home rule should prevail. They lost and state law on these matters trumps city and town laws. This is also true of all the CCW laws as well as Castle Doctrine laws. So now it becomes a one size fits all. I can live with that.
Cleveland complained and the horror stories began. Nothing ever came to pass, there was no increase or decrease in crime.
I have a Marine Corps 45 year reunion coming up in late May early June in Branson MO. We trained with the M14 and used the M16A1 in Nam. I was thinking about dragging along a Colt AR-15 SP1 because it is close to what we had in Nam and a M1A as it is as close to a M14 as I'll get. My path from Here to There takes me through IL and I am beginning to wonder if I want to screw with dragging those rifles along. Heck, at least I feel safe bringing along my NCO sword for the cake cutting ceremony. No laws against a sword I hope.
Ron
Lizard1911
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In Michigan. State laws regarding firearm laws are
The final word. No local government authority may
enact more restrictive laws than the State already
has. Not all States have this Constitutional provision.
It may sound like I'm attacking you for your stance
on Detroit. I most assuredly am not and apologize
for the misunderstanding. I am, however questioning
your understanding of My State laws.
Never been on an "Ignore List" before. Thank You.
The final word. No local government authority may
enact more restrictive laws than the State already
has. Not all States have this Constitutional provision.
It may sound like I'm attacking you for your stance
on Detroit. I most assuredly am not and apologize
for the misunderstanding. I am, however questioning
your understanding of My State laws.
Never been on an "Ignore List" before. Thank You.
larryh1108
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No problem there, just keep it unloaded and in a locked case (preferably in the trunk) and you are 100% legal. I wouldn't drive thru Chicago for many reasons but the rest of the state is just fine for traveling with your guns.
Reloadron
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Thanks and sort of what I figured. Those two rifles would serve up some memory in our hospitality room. I'll just secure them in a locking box in the back of the truck and of course unloaded. I-70 to St. Louis keeps me well south of Chicago.
Thanks Again
Ron
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