Florida teachers can arm themselves under new gun bill

CO school shooting yesterday, listening to NPR and the reporter applauded the police fast response.
"The police were there in two minutes"
If there had been armed school employees would the response time been less?

P5 Guy said:

CO school shooting yesterday, listening to NPR and the reporter applauded the police fast response.
"The police were there in two minutes"
If there had been armed school employees would the response time been less?

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Those kids were lucky because according to reports the station was very close. Second factor was they now have to charge in and engage the shooter (s). No more setting up perimiters and waiting for SWAT and or reinforcements. They should ask for a nice pay raise like the reachers that choose gun carry in class option. Let us hope the police can draw on recruits from them special forces units. At least those guys have some training in CQB.

Those kids did not wait for the police. A student tackled the male shooter and was killed.

"The boy came to class late, Nui told the "Today" show on Wednesday. “The next thing I know he is pulling a gun and is telling nobody to move.”

“That’s when Kendrick lunged at him, and he shot Kendrick,” Nui said, “giving all of us enough time to get underneath our desks, to get ourselves safe, and to run across the room to escape.”

Student Kendrick Castillo, 18, died in the shooting."

One shooter is an 18 year old male, the other a juvenile female.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-pulling-gun-colorado-student-school-n1003226

P5 Guy said:

If there had been armed school employees would the response time been less?

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Possibly, depends on whether the teachers opted to go after the shooters or decided shelter in place and protect the kids they have in the classroom with them. That is the nice thing about having arming SROs. They don't have to make a decision between abandoning students in their care as a teacher would have to do.

What about the classes attacked by the shooters? That is a different story. The question is then one of whether or not the teachers in the particular attacked classes are armed and can get to their weapons. Keep in mind that despite having the opportunity to be armed in various places of the US, many teachers are opposed to guns or are opposed to guns in classrooms, so it isn't like every teacher is going to be armed. Even a lot of teachers who are not opposed to gun or classroom carry will not be carrying a gun either (just like with the rest of the US citizenry). So, the vast majority will not be. It would likely be a win for our side if a shooter just happened to pick the wrong classroom where there is a pro gun, armed teacher, who is able to access a gun quickly and make use of it.

paulsj said:

Second factor was they now have to charge in and engage the shooter (s). No more setting up perimiters and waiting for SWAT and or reinforcements.

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Well, that has been the doctrine for the last 2 decades - not setting up perimeters, instead going after the shooter. Apparently, doctrine still relies on officers to make good on it (Parkland).

And then you have the crazy teacher concerns. Of course, this is undoubtedly uncommon, but an interesting development. A teacher with a concealed carry permit brought a gun to school and two knives, then started acting strangely. She got discovered and arrested. When asked why she brought a gun to school, she said, "Talk to DeSantis."
http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/pinellas-county-teacher-arrested-for-bringing-gun-to-school

Robert said:

This is not a gun problem. This is an evil problem. The only thing that combats evil is good people will to run toward gun fire. With guns...

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Would that we could get the world to understand that. Removing the gun from the potential scenario merely changes what some evil nutbag will use to carry out his plan.

Double Naught Spy said:

And then you have the crazy teacher concerns. Of course, this is undoubtedly uncommon, but an interesting development. A teacher with a concealed carry permit brought a gun to school and two knives, then started acting strangely. She got discovered and arrested. When asked why she brought a gun to school, she said, "Talk to DeSantis."
http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/pinellas-county-teacher-arrested-for-bringing-gun-to-school

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I read the article and didn't see any reference to her acting strangely or in any way would move her into the crazy teacher category. Stupid teacher, maybe. She took her backpack with her on a fire drill which alerted other students to something out of the ordinary going on. The way things are being talked about is that teachers opting to carry would have to undergo 140 hours of training and psych evals, which should go a long away to eliminate the crazy teachers you fear.
Is there really a difference between a trained SRO and a teacher trained to handle such situations also? I do think any teachers who go along with the program should receive extra pay for the risk factor.

FlSwampRat said:

I read the article and didn't see any reference to her acting strangely or in any way would move her into the crazy teacher category. Stupid teacher, maybe. She took her backpack with her on a fire drill which alerted other students to something out of the ordinary going on. The way things are being talked about is that teachers opting to carry would have to undergo 140 hours of training and psych evals, which should go a long away to eliminate the crazy teachers you fear.
Is there really a difference between a trained SRO and a teacher trained to handle such situations also? I do think any teachers who go along with the program should receive extra pay for the risk factor.

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No, the article said she was acting weird. That she was acting weird and came to school illegally armed is what puts her in the crazy teacher category. Then there is the other information that has come out about her behavior to indicate that she may not be in a proper mental state to be teaching children.
https://www.wbtw.com/national/teach...nives-allegedly-found-her-backpack/2018305658

From the article...
In one post, she called herself a "revolutionary" who "needs to free minds," calling Starkey Elementary "a plantation."

Then, in another post, she described the St. Petersburg Police Department as an "occupying military force, here to harass, intimidate and provoke."

Not happy with the 'crazy teacher' moniker, no problem. As a parent with kids in school, this sort of behavior would scare the crap out of me if my kid was in her school. That isn't to say that there aren't teachers that have dark thoughts, sometimes, but at least they are stable enough or mentally professional enough to keep such feelings internalized.

This is interesting as well. Before the incident, Soto's contract for teaching had not been renewed.
https://uk.style.yahoo.com/teacher-arrested-guns-knives-elementary-school-173702928.html

It is interesting when folks go back and look at the history of various shooters and say, "Look at all these signs that were there..."