The Official THR Starr club!

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I recently filled one of the gaping holes in my collection by acquiring a Pietta Starr SA, NIB. Was wondering if there is an official THR Starr club here? If not, do any of you own Starrs, either SA or DA, original or repop? I understand Pietta has ceased production so I am really glad I happened across this one.
 
How is the trigger pull and accuracy?

I like the looks of it. The loading lever looks similar to the Rogers and Spencer which came later if I am correct. I have always been fascinated by these double action versions. I read the single action versions were well liked.

I wonder how far a tuning job can go on the double action version. I heard they have stout trigger pulls but how stout I guess would have to be felt by the individual making the judgement but I still like to hear opinions from those who handle them to stimulate my imagination.
 
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Good Morning!
New out of the box, the DA trigger pull is definitely stouter than a modern Colt or S&W. The SA trigger pull is smooth as glass and breaks clean. There were several reasons that the Army had STARR develop and sell them a SA version of this revolver. That heavy, DA trigger was one, I have read. I have not noticed lead fragments spraying out of mine but the caps certainly shred and there is plenty of room for those to go flying. Brush Hippie put up a couple of videos of the DA STARR being fired by him. Enjoyable to watch and should still be up on YouTube ( I hope )
regards all!
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One thing I've noticed on my Pietta...the tiny 'wedge slice slots' (notches) on the cylinder are too small for the bolt, and despite never having fired mine, I've played with it to death, and the edges of the slots are already peened over. Looking at a number of real Starrs, both SA and DA, I've noticed the notches are way more ova and wider overalll:
Note that every other notch (in-battery) of my Pietta has the edge peened over...

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...and an image of an original Starr SA from Google Images...

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Note the size and shape of the original, and the fact that despite appearing heavily used, the notches do not appear to be peened on the original Starr. Furthermore, the odd shape Pietta chose for the notches makes it extremely difficult to dress or alter, even with a Dremel or similar. From what I can tell, the cylinder is not being locked into battery by the bolt, only being held in place by (to quote Larsen E. Pettifogger in his excellent "Tuning the Open Top Colts series) "giving the cylinder a wedgie". Not an ideal situation by any means. I may explore different ways to try to open up these notches to better fit the bolt shape. Curious as to if any of you Pietta Starr owners have tried something like this?
 
There is sharp edged blade hand tool you can use to carefully cut/scrape the thin peened over metal edges around the inner edges of the slots.

If that does not work good enough find a new cylinder locking latch and have it carefully thinned it out until it drops into the notches.

If it needs only a very very tiny amount removed from each side (cylinder locking latch) I would think it should line up fine provided the notches were milled in the correct places at the factory.

Keep the old latch intact just in case you need a rough reference for comparison.

If you can't find a new latch or a used one in good condition either have one made or modify another similar shaped cylinder locking latch to fit.

A gunsmith can do this easy.

If you have the knowledge and skills to do such things it shouldn't be hard.
 
There is sharp edged blade hand tool you can use to carefully cut/scrape the thin peened over metal edges around the inner edges of the slots.

If that does not work good enough find a new cylinder locking latch and have it carefully thinned it out until it drops into the notches.

If it needs only a very very tiny amount removed from each side (cylinder locking latch) I would think it should line up fine provided the notches were milled in the correct places at the factory.

Keep the old latch intact just in case you need a rough reference for comparison.

If you can't find a new latch or a used one in good condition either have one made or modify another similar shaped cylinder locking latch to fit.

A gunsmith can do this easy.

If you have the knowledge and skills to do such things it shouldn't be hard.
Honestly, after viewing both the notches and the bolt, I think the best approach would be to tailor the notches to allow the bolt to bottom out. Thinning the bolt will leave it razor-thin and subject to breakage, IMHO. I don't have any pix of the bolt but it's pretty wide, leaving me to assume it's fairly close to original specs. The notches are obviously not, simply by viewing them and comparing to originals...
 
Honestly, after viewing both the notches and the bolt, I think the best approach would be to tailor the notches to allow the bolt to bottom out. Thinning the bolt will leave it razor-thin and subject to breakage, IMHO. I don't have any pix of the bolt but it's pretty wide, leaving me to assume it's fairly close to original specs. The notches are obviously not, simply by viewing them and comparing to originals...

My impression is tailoring the notches is precision work that requires the right (not common) tools and experience. It's not a dremel job. Razor thin ? that is quite thin I didn't realize it was that bad. Hopefully scraping off the peened edges with the blade tool (I am sorry I don't remember the name of it off hand) will fix it but your description makes me wonder if it's a long shot. I

f you can find or have a latch made out the right type of steel it can be quite strong despite being thin.
 
Razor thin ? that is quite thin I didn't realize it was that bad.

Let's put it this way: the notches come to a pointed apex at the bottom of the notch. How far does the bolt need to protrude to lock it up (without a wedgie)? I don't honestly know. But all Remmy and Colt notches are squared off at the bottom. These are pointed...
Perhaps the bolt could be thinned to get a satisfactory lockup? But if you look at the originals it's pretty apparent that Ebenezer Starr put more common sense into his design...pre CAM/CAD...than Pietta ever did. And in this day and age, there is no excuse for that.

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Could it be a timing issue that involves when the bolt pops up, and which doesn't involve the size of the bolt or the notch?
Or a part involving the rotation of the cylinder such as the hand?
IDK, maybe an experienced Starr gunsmith could check for a common timing issue with this model which causes that problem.

I wouldn't do anything to it without contacting EMF, and also send them the photos since they're owned by Pietta.
Ask them what they're willing to do for you.
Shipping it to them would be better than buying parts which may not result in the problem being fixed.--->>> https://www.emf-company.com

If they won't help you then perhaps Hoof Hearted works on them or knows someone else who does. --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ing-and-conversion-work.870077/#post-11537053
 
Could it be a timing issue that involves when the bolt pops up, and which doesn't involve the size of the bolt or the notch?

Nope. I've physically held the bolt (out of the gun) in my hand and tried to 'bottom' it in the cylinder notches...nothing doing. It sorta slips and slides around. It's pretty clear to me the only thing holding it in battery is spring pressure (wedgie) rather than physical interference.
A very small carbide 'ball of death' would likely be the best approach, but there are 12 notches (including the safety notches) and the work would be tedious at best. Most likely the fastest and safest approach would be to re-profile the bolt until physical lockup is attained. That way, spare cylinders would also fit and lock up.
 
I know there is some kind of magic marker sold that rubs off easily. You would probably mark the cylinder latch before screwing it in the gun minus the spring and all parts except the cylinder. Attempting to press the latch into the cylinder slot should leave an impression telling you where to file repeating as many times as necessary. It's probably tedious but a better alternative. Remember to check cylinder to bore alignment every step of the way.

If you can send it in to get it fixed and they do it right even better. Unfortunately I have read a post about a reputable company doing an unbelievably totally botched up repair on someones gun. The reason why I bring this up is because this gun is not made anymore and it would be a problem if the cylinder got botched up by a dealers sloppy amateur repair attempt. I am not saying this is the norm but it has happened not too long ago.
 
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If you can send it in to get it fixed and they do it right even better. Unfortunately I have read a post about a reputable company doing an unbelievably totally botched up repair on someones gun. The reason why I bring this up is because this gun is not made anymore and it would be a problem if the cylinder got botched up by a dealers sloppy amateur repair attempt. I am not saying this is the norm but it has happened not too long ago.

Frankly, I trust my own workmanship more than I do the manufacturer's. After all, they designed the flaw in the first place!
I look at it this way; an extra cylinder is +$100.00. A spare bolt is $30.00. Seems plenty obvious which way to roll.
 
SO back in the 1990's....geeze I sound like an old geezer when I type that... the Spousal unit, SWMBO, and I drove to NO LA for a business thing for her and because it seemed like a chance for adventure to me.

Our last day and I was all but out of cash (yes of course the Cohan's got some of what I started with) and I was strolling down a street peeking at little shops about the size of the big dressing closet at home. Came to a place with a single paned window on the street and an open door ( a narrow later 1800's sort of door) in the window were painted toy soldiers and a small business card lead warning sign in a corner pane and in the very back some confederate paper. My wife sometimes gives me a hard time about that old song "Save that Confederate Money, Save it if you wanna be rich..." because Ohio Girls just don't understand the whole southern thing. So I figured "what the heck" and stepped in with the thought of buying something and framing it for her when we got home.

Had a nice chat with an elderly gentleman about lead soldiers, accessories for the same and Confederate paper and learned that I did not have enough to think hard about the Confederate paper on me. The shop being almost to small to turn around in I had my back to the open door the whole time, but when I turned around there was an open fronted wooden case behind the door, and each of the thirty little compartments contained an Original Starr revolver. I about fell down.

We restarted our conversation immediatly. He had mostly DAs but five or six SAs and a conversion he said was to .44-40 that was done someplace (he thought Belgium from marks) that was a DA. More than half looked like they had been sitting in some federal arsenal unissued since the 1860s. No Really.

We spent a good hour playing with the things when I glanced up and realized it was time for me to be at the Concierge Desk at our hotel to pick up our bags and load the car and SWMBO was likely standing there tapping her foot waiting on he who had been playing for three days in NOLO while she did "Lawyer Stuff"

I was about to fly out the door when the old guy said "You know, no body wants to talk about my guns with me. Why don't you pick one of the ones out on the counter and give me $200 cash for it?" I about fell down ... again. There was a used DA and SA and both were still in better shape than half my modern pistols at home and the Belgian .44-40 Conversion on that counter....and I literally had $13 and change on me and had intentionally left "don't leave home without it" packed in my bags at check out to prevent stupid spending.

When I arrived at the hotel all the baggage was on a cart and SWMBO sat in a chair with a foot bouncing and so I made my apologoies and loaded the car and we were off to Florida.

About Mobile Bay she asked about my morning and I told her. She was actually angry I had not told her and hit her up for the $200 and actually offered to turn the car around and drive the three hours back. I was too embarrassed and have regreated saying "drive on home, its OK" every since.

-kBob
 
In regards to the peened slots, it sounds like the bolt is dropping late. Seen a few other revolvers with that problem, bolt drops right on the edge of the slot instead of on the lead in cut.
 
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