Tennessee

taliv said:

Lessons learned:
-don’t point guns at women in TN
-if you see a car with TN plates, there’s prob a gun in it

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As a TN resident I approve and endorse this message wholeheartedly.

Pointing is not polite.
Pointing at ladies is rude and boorish.

If you walk away from an altercation over a woman, retrieve a hand gun, walk back, point the gun at an uninvolved woman, then walk on racking the slide as you approach the people you safely retreated from before, that is simply beyond the pale, and you justly deserve correction by Ms Manners.

She was fortunate to live in a reasonable part of our state. There are some less conservative areas where she probably would be charged.

Interesting tale. Had this event occurred in the greater Pugetropolis area, for certain, this woman would be charged and facing 25 to life, while the Seattle Times and King 5 TV tell us that a mentally-deranged white supremacist Trump supporter cold-bloodedly executed a POC who (despite his criminal history) was a much-loved 23-year-old father (of five illegitimate children with five different women) who was "turning his life around" and about to realize his life's dream of making a success of his career in rap music.

Stupid places, stupid people, stupid prizes. It's remarkable that no one's dead or headed to a life term.

So a drunk woman hears gunfire, decides to become ThunderForce and heads toward a shootout, shoots a man, who was protecting other women, in the back after hearing him clear his pistol to put it away?

Oh, Holy Cow! That’s now how the article reads at all! Whew! Your summary reads a bit different in my head @taliv.

While I will contend that she may have saved an innocent person’s life, I would also like to point out the part where she walk toward a completely unrelated to her altercation and then has a man stick a gun in her face.
Good thing she had the right answer…

And they all lived happily ever after.-ish.

No real surprise here. Tennessee is a pretty violent state overall.

"officers daughter" must have been a big factor.

I live in east Tennessee. Strange things involving guns happen every once in a while.

scott1970 said:

No real surprise here. Tennessee is a pretty violent state overall.

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I don't know where you get that opinion. Even considering
our worst arm pit (Memphis), TN violent crime doesn't come close to "woke" states like IL, NY,CA, just to name a few.

Not gonna play armchair quarterback on this but I will say that had this happened in California they would have locked down the neighborhood, shut down adjacent freeways and had a dozen news helicopters circling the area and every TV channel would be “Breaking with live coverage” of the “Battle at the Dive Bar”.

Hugger-4641 said:

I don't know where you get that opinion. Even considering
our worst arm pit (Memphis), TN violent crime doesn't come close to "woke" states like IL, NY,CA, just to name a few.

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FBI crime stats. But you are correct, there are more violent states which is why I didn't claim Tennessee is the most violent.


Violent Crime Rate By State
Rank State Violent Crime Rate Per 100,000 Inhabitants
1 Alaska 804
2 New Mexico 703
3 Nevada 678
4 Tennessee 633
5 Louisiana 566
6 Arkansas 551
7 Alabama 532
8 Missouri 519
9 Delaware 509
10 South Carolina 502
11 Maryland 472
12 Arizona 470
13 Michigan 459
14 Oklahoma 450
15 California 445
16 Illinois 436
17 Texas 434
18 Florida 430
19 South Dakota 418
20 Indiana 405
21 Georgia 398
22 Kansas 380
23 Massachusetts 377
24 New York 376
25 North Carolina 372
26 Montana 368
27 West Virginia 358
28 Colorado 343
29 Pennsylvania 316
30 Hawaii 309
31 Wisconsin 306
32 Washington 302
33 Ohio 300
34 Nebraska 291
35 Iowa 291
36 Mississippi 281
37 Oregon 265
38 North Dakota 251
39 New Jersey 245
40 Wyoming 244
41 Utah 243
42 Minnesota 243
43 Rhode Island 239
44 Kentucky 232
45 Idaho 230
46 Connecticut 227
47 Virginia 218
48 New Hampshire 198
49 Vermont 158
50 Maine 124

Not much to comment on, a grand jury can be swayed very easily by a DA to indict or not to indict. I wasn't there and relying on a news article is ludicrous.

Something does not sound right, but cannot decide just on an article.

I lived in TN for seven years working for Uncle Sam...a lot of meth labs....used to be in the top 3, not sure anymore. However, it was a beautiful state even if it seemed everyone had the same last name.

Reviewing the post by Scott1970...

I can see why it is so boring where I live.

RETG said:

Not much to comment on, a grand jury can be swayed very easily by a DA to indict or not to indict. I wasn't there and relying on a news article is ludicrous.

Something does not sound right, but cannot decide just on an article.

I lived in TN for seven years working for Uncle Sam...a lot of meth labs....used to be in the top 3, not sure anymore. However, it was a beautiful state even if it seemed everyone had the same last name.

Reviewing the post by Scott1970...

I can see why it is so boring where I live.

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Back during the meth heydays my county lead the state of Tennessee in meth lab busts. This was before we had hazmat units to deal with them, so we'd break them down ourselves. Red P labs always gave me the worst headaches. This current heroin/fentanyl scourge is much worse, though.

I feel like stupid must have been on sale that week because it seems like there was a lot to go round.

Sure glad I read the thread before I viewed the video.

One thing I've noticed informally in our local newscasts, is that any gun incident is reported with great thoroughness... on-site reporting, etc.

On the other hand, maybe I'm just more attuned to firearms misuse reporting than I was only a few years ago.

Could be either, could be both, could be nuthin'

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Darn, my state is actually close to the top in one category. We are right down around the bottom of the pile in everything else like education and income. To put this in perspective only 2.1 million people live in this state and the vast majority of the crime occurs in Abuquerque, the quagmire surrounding the junction Of I-40 and I-25.

doubleh said:

[QUOTE #2 New Mexico 703

Darn, my state is actually close to the top in one category. We are right down around the bottom of the pile in everything else like education and income. To put this in perspective only 2.1 million people live in this state and the vast majority of the crime occurs in Abuquerque, the quagmire surrounding the junction Of I-40 and I-25.

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I-40 seems to be a part of the problem. Major east/west route from east coast is a hotspot for trafficking of all sorts. Drugs, sex, slaves… yes slaves as in people kidnapped and used for sex and other things. Can’t blame this mess on an inanimate object though, so it has to be the evil gun… because it is less inanimate because it’s scary so it can be blamed. The Nashville metro area and surrounding rural areas is a hotspot though because you can be in about 90% of the country within 24 hours by car. I have driven to Detroit in 11 hours, various places east coast and gulf in 9 to 12 hours, NYC in about 13 hours… Chicago is roughly 10 hours, San Antonio was about 13 hours… get the point. What do you want, how much of it, and what are you willing to pay are the 3 main questions. Somebody has it, is willing to sell it, and somebody is willing to drive. That scenario has bred a lot of what we see around here.

scott1970 said:

FBI crime stats. But you are correct, there are more violent states which is why I didn't claim Tennessee is the most violent.


Violent Crime Rate By State
Rank State Violent Crime Rate Per 100,000 Inhabitants
1 Alaska 804
2 New Mexico 703
3 Nevada 678
4 Tennessee 633
5 Louisiana 566
6 Arkansas 551
7 Alabama 532
8 Missouri 519
9 Delaware 509
10 South Carolina 502
11 Maryland 472
12 Arizona 470
13 Michigan 459
14 Oklahoma 450
15 California 445
16 Illinois 436
17 Texas 434
18 Florida 430
19 South Dakota 418
20 Indiana 405
21 Georgia 398
22 Kansas 380
23 Massachusetts 377
24 New York 376
25 North Carolina 372
26 Montana 368
27 West Virginia 358
28 Colorado 343
29 Pennsylvania 316
30 Hawaii 309
31 Wisconsin 306
32 Washington 302
33 Ohio 300
34 Nebraska 291
35 Iowa 291
36 Mississippi 281
37 Oregon 265
38 North Dakota 251
39 New Jersey 245
40 Wyoming 244
41 Utah 243
42 Minnesota 243
43 Rhode Island 239
44 Kentucky 232
45 Idaho 230
46 Connecticut 227
47 Virginia 218
48 New Hampshire 198
49 Vermont 158
50 Maine 124

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Those stats do bring a thought to my mind:
If you had one violent crime in a given geographic area, say one square mile for example. In TN where the population is likely to be more sparse, your per/capita number would naturally be higher than a state like NY where there are more people in that same square mile.
So I would also want to look at percentages as well as per capita numbers to make any judgment about violent crime frequency in any given state.
Would you agree?

Question: Are you going to shoot me in the back when I walk away?
Answer: Of course not. (not)

It's easy for all of us to play armchair analyst. But I have to think about the turning points.
Did she make a bad choice in following him? Maybe, maybe not depending on the truth of what we've been told. However, if what we've read is the truth, when he turned the gun away from her and then racked the slide, she had no reason to believe he wasn't going to turn back and shoot her, and there was no doubt at that point he was ready to shoot someone else.

Hugger-4641 said:

Those stats do bring a thought to my mind:
If you had one violent crime in a given geographic area, say one square mile for example. In TN where the population is likely to be more sparse, your per/capita number would naturally be higher than a state like NY where there are more people in that same square mile.
So I would also want to look at percentages as well as per capita numbers to make any judgment about violent crime frequency in any given state.
Would you agree?

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Well, IIRC, percentages and per capita information is just two different ways of saying the same thing. Doing the math, 50 out of 100,000 is 0.05% (5 one-hundredths of one percent), which is the same as 50 per 100,000. Same information, but which sounds better (or worse)? Kind of depends on your perspective, or which emotion you're trying to evoke.

And BTW, if you want to make ANY of the less populous states seem more dangerous, just use percentages (which are usually from a TOTAL population of some sort), or per capita, because with a smaller population to start with, even just a few "bad actions" result in higher percentages and/or per capita numbers. Higher population just dilutes the numbers. As they say, there's safety in numbers (unless it's YOUR number, that is ). Don't ya just love statistics?