New Ruger LC Carbine in 5.7

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someguy2800 said:
That’s kinda neat I guess but almost $1k mslp is absolutely laughable. I’d probably buy one at $350 or so. Really hard to imagine what ruger was thinking putting the development time into this when we have all been begging for a 10mm PCC or lever action.
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someguy2800 said:
Also the aesthetics look like joint venture between keltec and high point.
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You nailed their formula -- take a blowback carbine that costs $100 to make and sell it for $1000. All it takes is a novel cartridge to make people think it's a thing and wrap it in black-gun tactical aesthetics and it will sell. Development time? How much of that is there for a fixed-barrel blowback gun? Even the magazine was already done.
 
westernrover said:
What's the point of 5.7 vs 5.56 for a carbine? I mean, obviously one fits in a handgun, but why would anyone want to shoot a 5.7 carbine? Now the original PDW was much smaller and had 50-round magazines and was easy to control in full-auto. There was something to that, but evidently not a large market. This is a blow-back operated pistol-cartridge carbine with an ungainly buffer-tube style AR stock even though it doesn't have a DI action, a gas piston, or a buffer tube. It's cheaper than a B&T or Kriss, but not less than an AR or an AK in 5.45 or 5.56. I don't see the point to it. Ruger calls it the "ultimate range companion." Why would someone want a range companion in 5.7 instead of 5.56 or x39?
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I find the muzzle blast of 5.7x28 out of a 10 inch barrel to be quite acceptable even at an indoor range. Other than that there's not much point in making a 5.7x28 that looks like and runs like an AR. Stick with what 5.7x28 does well, 50 round horizontal mags in a compact package.
 
N555 said:
All the current ones made now are straight blow back.
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Is Banshee in 5.7 a straight blowback too? I'm pretty sure it uses a version of the Radial Delayed Blowback system.
Also, DBX-57 is piston driven, isn't it?
 
I thought the banshee used some sort of fancy delayed blow back. I saw banshee fired brass and it wasn't all stretched out like typical 5.7 brass that is straight blow back or regular delayed blow back.
I had thought they stopped making the banshee upper, no?
The dbx-57 is new to me.
 
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someguy2800 said:
That’s kinda neat I guess but almost $1k mslp is absolutely laughable. I’d probably buy one at $350 or so. Really hard to imagine what ruger was thinking putting the development time into this when we have all been begging for a 10mm PCC or lever action.
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westernrover said:
You nailed their formula -- take a blowback carbine that costs $100 to make and sell it for $1000. All it takes is a novel cartridge to make people think it's a thing and wrap it in black-gun tactical aesthetics and it will sell. Development time? How much of that is there for a fixed-barrel blowback gun? Even the magazine was already done.
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So out of touch with current retail gun prices that aren’t an entry level 10/22 or bottom of the line common as dirt generic AR.

Almost as expensive as the 57 carbine, but cheaper too shoot.
https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19130.html

BTW, I think the new 57 carbine is effin’ awesome. But I think the cartridge isn’t worth my time.
 
chicharrones said:
So out of touch with current retail gun prices that aren’t an entry level 10/22 or bottom of the line common as dirt generic AR.

Almost as expensive as the 57 carbine, but cheaper too shoot.
https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19130.html

BTW, I think the new 57 carbine is effin’ awesome. But I think the cartridge isn’t worth my time.
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The ruger PCC is way overpriced for what it is also, but so are most of its competitors, and yet people are buying them. Time will tell if the market will support an $800 straight blowback 5.7 carbine that looks like an 80’s sci-fi prop gun.
 
Crosshair said:
There is a bigger market for a pump action .357 rifle than this.
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20 years ago there was 1 manufacturer making 2 different firearms that fired 5.7x28 and 1 ammo manufacturer in the US.
Now we have at least 6 manufacturers making 10 different guns and several other companies making AR uppers. There are 2 or 3 ammo manufacturers and about to be 1 more.
How many different 357 pumps are being made?
 
someguy2800 said:
The ruger PCC is way overpriced for what it is also, but so are most of its competitors, and yet people are buying them. Time will tell if the market will support an $800 straight blowback 5.7 carbine that looks like an 80’s sci-fi prop gun.
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The market is already supporting PCCs of most types in these price ranges. The Ruger PCC took off like gangbusters. The only trouble with the Ruger LC is the cartridge it's chambered for isn't really mainstream.
 
The Glockodile said:
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Dunno.

If these things work fine...

...my interest in this new Ruger might be limited.

That is A LOT of pewticles up there.
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If I'm wanting those 50 round mags, I'd rather have a PS90.

I mean, if I want to carry around the size and weight of an AR I'd prefer the upgrade in cartridge that the 5.56x45 provides.
 
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mgmorden said:
.22 Plinkster made a pretty good one - that was where I first heard of it:
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I finally got to see those videos. Makes me like the LC even more. This thing is so much more than the Ruger pistol, it's like the pistol should have come out after this.

That LC looks short to shoot, and shorter to carry in a bag. Plus it's looks light, looks small in the hands, and likely very handy/nimble. I really like autoloading PCCs that have a pistol magazine up the pistol grip, as it maximizes use of space in a gun like that.

Gawd dang it, I thought my gun buying days were behind me. If the ammo makers start ramping up production on the 5.7 cartridge, and Ruger keeps making the LC and 57 . . . I might have to break out some cash.

Imagine if that thing would have been made in 9mm, which would likely increase the heft a bit, but wow that would sell.
 
The Glockodile said:
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Dunno.

If these things work fine...

...my interest in this new Ruger might be limited.

That is A LOT of pewticles up there.
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proven and looks cooler with the P90 mags.

As for the “LC” name… BORING!

What boardroom committee came up with this gun. “Let make a Blowback 5.7 carbine, make it look like a Kel-tec and put on a Ruger grip, bunch of rails everywhere, and lets ride the LCP, LCR, LC9.. name with LC, then have Cool guy Ryan Grisham promote it”
 
The Glockodile said:
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If these things work fine...
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Is anyone trying to put AR57 back in production?

I heard it was phenomenal, but it came on the market before the recent resurgence in interest, and the company could not stay solvent. And then, as it often happens, it's more difficult to restart production than to build the whole thing from scratch. Consider, for example, the ongoing lawsuit of GWACS against KE Arms and Co.

It would be quite welcome if someone rebooted AR57 in current conditions, I think.
 
The Glockodile said:
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Dunno.

If these things work fine...

...my interest in this new Ruger might be limited.

That is A LOT of pewticles up there.
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I don't think those are being made right now. New old stock one ones go for nearly $2,000 last time I checked and used ones only a little it less.
I don't know if they will make them again, it's only like printing money when they are selling them.
I bet they could off a run of 500 of them for sale at $1,500, 6 months wait time and they would still sell out in a day.
 
Not for me, I already have the PS90 that I can't afford to shoot cause those things are so hungry. You know what might be cool? A SMALL gun in 5.7 x 28- like a S&W shield, Glock 48 type-something on those lines. It would have an impressive capacity!
 
BigBlue 94 said:
You have obviously not reloaded 32NAA... A 380 based bottleneck cartridge with no neck! Heck the major die companies dont even make dies for it.

But yes i have heard the 5.7 is a bear to load.
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I loaded 5.7x28, there just not much for error. With the my new M expander and frankford seater die. It might be a lot easier
 
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