I just wanted to feel you guys out on this topic. I said something to the store manager and all I got was a thanks for letting me know. I did advise them my intent wasn’t to get the man in trouble but I wanted to let them know so they could correct it and not have an incident in the future. This store allows their folks to open carry so I couldn’t just blow it off.
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Outlaw75
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Could be a large chain that sells Moms and Pops.
Maybe it's an advertising gimmick; "Come on by, neighbor! We'll point a gun at you!".
People have done worse.
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This is the most effective solution
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good post. hypocrisy has no bounds...yes there might be a WWIII because of it lol
PWC
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Lets see, in a shell crater, or a ditch it's easy to keep the muzzle pointed generally up on a safe direction. Walking trail, alternate security, easy to keep safe. On a break or or off the line everyone usually slings arms or carries at the balance point. Now these are loaded and ready to play, and muzzle sweeps abound.
Safety depends on the operator and those around. Same on ANY situation.
Safety depends on the operator and those around. Same on ANY situation.
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The non verbal way I handle this is do a large, exaggerated step out of the way. Usually a side step to the left or right. As long as whomever is holding the firearm is paying attention, they will get the message without being called out. I give it two times before I get verbal. And assertive.
It’s a mom and pop shop that owns several locations
dogtown tom
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Like Academy?
So it seems that you don't mind verbally sparring with someone when distance is created via the internet...but when someone points a gun at you nine times in person (causing you apparent distress) you don't feel the courage to speak up?
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If it's that important to you you shouldn't have let him do it multiple times without saying something
marksman13
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Last time that happened I told the offender that if he pointed another gun at me, we were going to have a problem. He apologized, got another employee to help me and moved to another section of the counter where he promptly pointed a pistol at another customer. I told the guy who was helping me that I was leaving and I’d never be back as long as that dude was working the counter. Maybe I’m a Karen, but I’ve had a negligent discharge that was 100% my fault and it has made me overly cautious about safe gun handling.
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One of our local shops has a 55gal. drum full of sand behind the counter. The employees are generally knowledgeable and well-trained. Their policy is to remove the magazine, open the action, close the action and dry fire into the drum before handing any gun to a customer.
As much as my OCD hates dry-firing, and I cringe every time they do it, it's far preferable to the one time I was there and one actually went off!
It happens. Someone flags me, they are going to hear about it.
As much as my OCD hates dry-firing, and I cringe every time they do it, it's far preferable to the one time I was there and one actually went off!
It happens. Someone flags me, they are going to hear about it.
Nope! I’ll tell you screw off to your face and not think twice. That man makes about $10hr and was obviously nervous/didn’t know what he was doing. Why degrade someone in front of say 10 other people. I didn’t feel my safety was in jeopardy but it was a messed up situation.
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So what was your purpose in starting this discussion? Just to let us know that the guy was an idiot and that you're waaaaaay cooler than that?
Because I can that’s why now you and kWB just move along I don’t have time for keyboard warriors. Don’t know how I think I’m cool because of the situation but ok. As I said to the other guy, screw off.
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Screwing off.
back to the topic... whenever I am at a big box shop I tend to be curtious and ask the counter person where I can point the firearm for purposes of feel, hold sights etc. Most of the time they will even allow me to field strip it. always best to just ask. They dont mind if I allow my son to hold it either.
theres bad apples everywhere but most of the time its been fine.
again if a non intentional sweep really gets to you the best course is likely to just step away from the counter. When people start handling objects its going to happen. now if someone points the firearm at your face and dry fires it... thats a little much.
Im sure nobody here has ever swept a room with a firearm though. New people to this hobby/passion are not as refined so you have to be realistic....and yes patient.
now what really burns me is people not using their turn signals on the road!!!! I have to just blow that off though. Pent up hostility will make you crazy if you let it.
theres bad apples everywhere but most of the time its been fine.
again if a non intentional sweep really gets to you the best course is likely to just step away from the counter. When people start handling objects its going to happen. now if someone points the firearm at your face and dry fires it... thats a little much.
Im sure nobody here has ever swept a room with a firearm though. New people to this hobby/passion are not as refined so you have to be realistic....and yes patient.
now what really burns me is people not using their turn signals on the road!!!! I have to just blow that off though. Pent up hostility will make you crazy if you let it.
Prove to me its not loaded put the barrel under your chin and pull the trigger
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I think that's the dumbest thing I've read all night
You must not read the tactics forum.
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A video shows an LEO being handed a handgun by a store employee.
The LEO simply puts his finger over the muzzle, aims the gun at about a 45* angle, somewhat towards other customers.
He pulls the trigger and the end of his finger flies away.
Some of you saw this store video. I have no idea where or when it happened. Why didn't the store employee check the gun? The LEO also assumed that a store's gun must be empty.
The LEO simply puts his finger over the muzzle, aims the gun at about a 45* angle, somewhat towards other customers.
He pulls the trigger and the end of his finger flies away.
Some of you saw this store video. I have no idea where or when it happened. Why didn't the store employee check the gun? The LEO also assumed that a store's gun must be empty.
Old Dog
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I hesitated to post in this thread as it's about one of my pet peeves that I've come to realize is never gonna be resolved.
Seems more'n a few here a being fairly judgmental.
Proper firearms handling is only an issue to those who know better. In my estimation, probably only about one-quarter of all the gun owners in the world, or likely, much less. As the saying goes (and I actually hate this saying), "It is what it is."
As a (now retired) long-time firearms instructor for both law enforcement and civilians, I came to realize that most folks that own guns either aren't acquainted with the "Four Rules" or simply don't care.
What happens in stores that sell guns is, to most of us, heinous displays of gun-handling and constant violations of the Four Rules.
All we really can do is be good role models, display the appropriate firearms-handling protocols that we wish to see, and tactfully correct -- without adding drama to situations -- those that we see violating the rules that we know to be sacrosanct as far as preventing accidents.
Seems more'n a few here a being fairly judgmental.
Proper firearms handling is only an issue to those who know better. In my estimation, probably only about one-quarter of all the gun owners in the world, or likely, much less. As the saying goes (and I actually hate this saying), "It is what it is."
As a (now retired) long-time firearms instructor for both law enforcement and civilians, I came to realize that most folks that own guns either aren't acquainted with the "Four Rules" or simply don't care.
What happens in stores that sell guns is, to most of us, heinous displays of gun-handling and constant violations of the Four Rules.
All we really can do is be good role models, display the appropriate firearms-handling protocols that we wish to see, and tactfully correct -- without adding drama to situations -- those that we see violating the rules that we know to be sacrosanct as far as preventing accidents.
RetiredUSNChief
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^^^^
This.
This.
dogtown tom
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If the muzzle of an inanimate firearm distresses someone.....please never go to a gun show. Literally a thousand tables, with possibly tens of thousands of gun pointed every direction possible. Thats not the problem. (and most gun shows require guns be displayed with actions open and cable tied)
The problem is unsafe gun handling by the seller or buyer. Negligent discharges occur at gun shows because the idiot seller displayed a loaded gun. It happens and will cause that venue to never allow a gun show again. Few retail stores will cable tie their guns, meaning the clerk MUST exhibit safe handling skills and verify the gun is clear before handing to customer. And when handed to customer a verbal reminder to not point at another person is always a good idea. If the customer begins to sweep the store, flag, point or show unsafe behavior? Take it away.
For a seller showing unsafe habits, a jump, duck, dodge or dive away from the muzzle accompanied by "don't point guns at me!" gets the message across.
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