CraigC
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It would make a proper revolver cartridge.
Remington 360 Buckhammer
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I hope, and expect, that Henry will bring this out in their single shots as well. I have no "need" for it, but the ability to stuff anything from overweight cast to light pistol bullets to proper RN Hornady 200s to pointy .358s and size with a carbide die set would be a lot of fun at the loading bench! 125 XTPs would be a lot of fun on leftover vegetables!
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This would be a real eye opener in a rebarreled Savage 340 or Rem 788. In the latter, and probably the former, you could hot rod it a little bit with a Spitzer and have a legit 250-300 yard deer range.
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W.E.G.
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180-grain bullet with 2400 fps (claimed) muzzle velocity .
By comparison:
30-30 - almost identical
.308 - About 300 fps better
30-06 - about 350 fps better
Looks like an effective cartridge for the intended purpose.
Which is solely to comply with restrictive laws in certain states.
If bullet construction is good, should provide a good in-and-out wound at distances its likely to be used.
Oddball caliber though.
So if you buy one, be sure to lay in a lifetime supply of ammo for it too. Because you won't be buying this at Walmart in 15 years. I promise.
By comparison:
30-30 - almost identical
.308 - About 300 fps better
30-06 - about 350 fps better
Looks like an effective cartridge for the intended purpose.
Which is solely to comply with restrictive laws in certain states.
If bullet construction is good, should provide a good in-and-out wound at distances its likely to be used.
Oddball caliber though.
So if you buy one, be sure to lay in a lifetime supply of ammo for it too. Because you won't be buying this at Walmart in 15 years. I promise.
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CraigC
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Put me down for the single shot, for no logical reason whatsoever. 
Oddball caliber? It's a new cartridge that uses .358" bullets.
W.E.G.
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Put me down for the single shot, for no logical reason whatsoever.
Oddball caliber? It's a new cartridge that uses .358" bullets.
"Cartridge" then.
Less than 5% of the people who buy these guns will actually reload for it, and probably couldn't tell you the actual bullet-diameter without looking at their phone.
If the new owner of one of these wasn't a reloader before they bought the new gun, this caliber (CARTRIDGE - whatever) won't be the catalyst that drives them to become a reloader.
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If really depends. Straight wall hunting cartridges are a niche but very active market. Most of the existing straight-wall cartridges (except .350 Legend, which was introduced for the same purpose) are much larger caliber (eg, .444 Marlin, .45-70, .44 Mag) or less powerful revolver cartridges that don't really offer enough ballistics advantage over a slug. This and the .350 Legend are specifically tailored to that niche, and I'd say that the market could support at least 2 cartridges.
Now, the thing that could TOTALLY kill both of them dead is if most of those straight-walled states scrapped those laws and started allowing regular bottle-neck cartridges. If that happened both of them would be just a memory, but I don't really see that happening.
redneck2
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I thought the same thing about Indiana. As of a few years back we can now use anything 6mm or larger
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I think this might have broader appeal than we give it credit for, beyond straight wall states. There is an interest in vintage style levers in a hard hitting short range hog/deer caliber, and not everyone can field a 45-70. Ditto for single shots and probably to a lesser extend bolts. There is a small interest in doing interesting reloading things in .358 (me, but probably not alone). This does seem to nearly replicate .35rem ballistics, and that round should have died out decades ago but hasn't. Only time will tell, but I think they're doing it right with the .358 bore. TC and other makers are still selling quite a few .357 Max barrels, and this is a better option.
mcb
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35 Remington is not completely dead. Marlin was still making 336 in it up to the point it was sold to Ruger. Ruger claims we should be seeing a 336 in 35 Remington again this year. That said 360 Buck Hammer is rimmed and 35 Rem is rimless. I think there is a niche for this 360 Buck Hammer to make it. I think it would be fun suppressed with heavy sub sonic ammo. Then again I like weird cartridges so I could be wrong.
dranrab
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Just think if states hadn't gone all silly with the straight wall case nonsense.
mcb
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There would be more new slug guns?
P Flados
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One straightwall state (Iowa?) just changed the rules and now allows 35 Rem. And when looking at Henry's lineup I found they have added the 35 Rem.
The 35 Rem is a good deer round provided distances are typical. The 357 Max also has a good track record. From a marketing perspective, the 350L and the 360 BH both leverage off of this known capability.
For someone who wants a lever or single shot and is looking at 35 rem or 360 BH, chances are that the new round will actually be cheaper / more available for a while.
Even if straightwall states loosen up some in the future, there is a good chance that more than a few will find that they are content with their 350L, 360 BH or even a new production 35 Rem as long as ammo price/availability are ok. Again, these are rounds that will do a good job for most and have less recoil than the bigger stuff.
The 35 Rem is a good deer round provided distances are typical. The 357 Max also has a good track record. From a marketing perspective, the 350L and the 360 BH both leverage off of this known capability.
For someone who wants a lever or single shot and is looking at 35 rem or 360 BH, chances are that the new round will actually be cheaper / more available for a while.
Even if straightwall states loosen up some in the future, there is a good chance that more than a few will find that they are content with their 350L, 360 BH or even a new production 35 Rem as long as ammo price/availability are ok. Again, these are rounds that will do a good job for most and have less recoil than the bigger stuff.
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Since when did 35 caliber become an odd ball? The 35 rem from 1901, the 9x56 MS from 1905, the 35 Whelen from 1920, the 358 winchester from 1955. Oh and I almost forgot the 35 winchester from 1895. I happen to love them all. Oddball or not they keep the freezer full. Good hunting.
Crosshair
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They should have just chambered it in 357 Maximum and called it a day.
I'll have to look at the dimensions, but I wonder what it would take for a conversion to 357 Max.
I'll have to look at the dimensions, but I wonder what it would take for a conversion to 357 Max.
Crosshair
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A 340 will not take 50,000 PSI loads with a 30-30 case head.
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Yawn.....
Now we know why you can’t find .35 REM ammo on the shelf of a LGS or BIG BOX store.
They’re trying to force customers into buying a new whiz-bang instead of ammo for old reliable!
Count me out.. however, maybe component bullets will become available again...
Now we know why you can’t find .35 REM ammo on the shelf of a LGS or BIG BOX store.
They’re trying to force customers into buying a new whiz-bang instead of ammo for old reliable!
Count me out.. however, maybe component bullets will become available again...
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225 Winchester??? 57KPSI according to CIP. SAAMI has it dialed back to 50K CUP, with no PSI listed. That one would be a maybe in my book, but might be possible.
There's also a Mannlicher 95 sporterized in 6.5x53.5R at a local auction with a sewer pipe bore that has got me thinking. Would probably need some bolt face/extractor work though. I could have the first straight pull 360BH though!
Maybe Hornady can 1-up them, and I can start shopping junk P14 actions. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/30/416-strauss-a-303-wildcat/
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earlthegoat2
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Well here in GA, we can use whatever centerfire 22 cal and above and 350L and 450BM are pretty popular….even in non-AR rifles. 350L and 450 BM ammo is pretty available at any shop and Wal-Mart. Especially 350L.
The buckhammer is the first 1.8” case cartridge to be offered in a lever action since the very expensive Big Horn Armory chambered the Model 90 in 460 S&W.
someguy2800
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As a handloader the 35 Remington in a strong single single shot like an H&R or an Encore would be my answer to Iowas regulations. Turning the pressure up from its original 35,000 psi to a modern 55,000 with a 180 grain speer turns it into a 308 win with slightly worse ballistic coefficient.
I think the .360 can stand on it's own without straight wall regulations. Like a mini-.45-70. It will be easy to load for and the .360 caliber lends itself to effective cast bullet loads. The case can be fire formed from .30-30 and all in all it seems it will have a wide performance envelope for reloaders from mild to wild.
troy fairweather
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Has anyone seen the case specs, I don't think they would but if they pull the crap Winchester did with the 350 if would suck. Win the first few weeks said it was a 223 case and it will load 358s just fine, as we know that's not true. if the 360 really is just a 30-30 that would be great and even though I love the 35 rem and can make brass I'd really like to try the 360bh. A nice 200 grain lead or jacketed is perfect for the woods and even though like the 35 rem hunters know they really hit harder then the 30-30 even if paper ballistics seem close.
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I think they should have done a 375 caliber instead of 358 to differentiate themselves a bit from 350 legend. I have been trying to find the dimensions with no luck. It looks to me almost like it’s not tapered enough to be 30/30 base diameter. For example here is a 35/30 wildcat. Now imagine that with the case shortened .330” and the shoulder straightened out into a taper case.
I think winchester made the right decision to make the 350 legend case the way they did. If they used a 223 case as the parent it would be a zero taper case like a 357 maximum and you would probably need to aneal, then expand in two steps, and still need to fireform to blow it out to full diameter. Way too much effort for 98% of handloaders and they would be giving up 3 or 4 grains of case capacity.
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It is not 360 caliber. It uses standard 358 caliber bullets. I do agree this is probably why we aren’t seeing 35 remington ammo on store shelves. All that was old is new again. It will be a niche round aimed at the straight wall regulation states.
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