With the new hunting laws allowing rifles with straight walled cartridges we need a new one. I now have a winchester Super X2 deer gun with scope and such. I shoot Hornady SST slugs through it. They shoot pretty darn flat for a slug. In fact if you go to hornadys website and check the ballistics it blows away a 44 magnum and is neck and neck with a 45-70. We need a new round that is not giant over kill like 45-70 and 444 marlin. Maybe a .32 caliber that shoots a 160-180 grain bullet. Make it have enough juice on it that it shoots 200 yds on a rope. This would be a great round in a bolt action carbine, ruger #1, handi rifle or Remington pump.
Someone needs to make a new straight walled rifle cartridge for deer hunting in Ohio
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Actually... no. All you need to do is to ask yourself what was used around 1900. Trust me here, they hunted deer way back then and knew how to do it... 
Rediscover some of the old cartridges, and built up rifles and loads for them.
.38-55 Winchester anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38-55_Winchester
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Rediscover some of the old cartridges, and built up rifles and loads for them.
.38-55 Winchester anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38-55_Winchester
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gpb
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The 38-55 in a Marlin 336 or Winchester 94 would do nicely. The 38-55 is already on the Ohio approved list.
It would be nice if Marlin or Winchester would start to build some.
It would be nice if Marlin or Winchester would start to build some.
Properly loaded 45-70 is not over kill...
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^^ This.
"Handloading is the key to .45-70 glee"
(and when loaded with Holy Black, will open up a new world...)
This is a perfect opportunity for Ohio hunters to learn a bit about the old rifles and cartridges. There is a WORLD of pre-bottleneck cartridges around, and many of them are still perfectly viable today.
Where's the cartridge list? Google didn't show a good result.
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"Handloading is the key to .45-70 glee"
(and when loaded with Holy Black, will open up a new world...)
This is a perfect opportunity for Ohio hunters to learn a bit about the old rifles and cartridges. There is a WORLD of pre-bottleneck cartridges around, and many of them are still perfectly viable today.
Where's the cartridge list? Google didn't show a good result.
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There are many good factory loads out there that are fine for deer.
45 colt or 44 mag should be easy enough to get good loads for as well.
You can get set up for reloaded fairly simple. A used single stage press, a scale and components will get you started. That's what I started with. Buy something here and there as you can afford to and before you know it you have a full setup.
45 colt or 44 mag should be easy enough to get good loads for as well.
You can get set up for reloaded fairly simple. A used single stage press, a scale and components will get you started. That's what I started with. Buy something here and there as you can afford to and before you know it you have a full setup.
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"I would like to actually be able to drive to a store and buy a nib rifle and a couple boxes of shells for it"
You can. In perfectly adequate cartridges for the ranges that you recite. You're just not going to get one in some exotic old cartridge like .38-55. But you can pick from many .357 options, any of which would be just fine. And you can pick a .45-70 and find many different loadings for them off the shelf. As for reloading, as was pointed out above, $150 will set you up if you keep an eye out for what you need. A simple single stage press, a set of dies, and a very basic powder scale are all you really need. The rest just makes it easier. Truly, you could just buy a Lee Loader for about $30 (really) and add a ball peen hammer to that and you're off and running, albeit at a walking pace. For hunting quantity reloading that's all you need.
"We need a new round"
Actually, you just need a new hobby... reloading...
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You can. In perfectly adequate cartridges for the ranges that you recite. You're just not going to get one in some exotic old cartridge like .38-55. But you can pick from many .357 options, any of which would be just fine. And you can pick a .45-70 and find many different loadings for them off the shelf. As for reloading, as was pointed out above, $150 will set you up if you keep an eye out for what you need. A simple single stage press, a set of dies, and a very basic powder scale are all you really need. The rest just makes it easier. Truly, you could just buy a Lee Loader for about $30 (really) and add a ball peen hammer to that and you're off and running, albeit at a walking pace. For hunting quantity reloading that's all you need.
"We need a new round"
Actually, you just need a new hobby... reloading...
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If a rifle chamber in the handgun cartridges wont' suit you, and the 45-70 and 444 are to big. You may want to consider a 32 Winchester special, 375 Winchester, 32-40, or 38-55. All are available over the counter, and all have a good reputation.
If reloading costs one fortune you must have about 3 or 4 fortunes laying around for a NIB rifle and ammo.
not gonna happen with a straight walled case, most of the time there's a reason stuff in the gun world doesn't exist.
As Willie said find a 38/55.
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45-70 would be my choice. I agree with Willie and the others, some cartridges are made for reloading and 45-70 is high on the list. Straight wall is all I reload and will take care of most applications except really long range stuff. Before about 1890 that's all anyone used and it wasn't a problem.
Shotguns are for shot. How did we get this so screwed up.
Shotguns are for shot. How did we get this so screwed up.
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Big Horn Armory Model 89, lever action, Smith & Wesson .500. They will also make it in S&W .460 which would be flatter shooting than the .500. Or, you can special order a Marlin Model 1894 in .44 magnum from Gallery of Guns.
Many states want to limit the distance that a projectile will travel in deer hunting areas because of flat terrain and/or the proximity of the hunting area to houses. Therefore, they have "shotgun only" hunting areas - I fail to see why safety concerns are "screwed up."
Many states want to limit the distance that a projectile will travel in deer hunting areas because of flat terrain and/or the proximity of the hunting area to houses. Therefore, they have "shotgun only" hunting areas - I fail to see why safety concerns are "screwed up."
Add a scale, dies for whatever caliber you want, and some calipers and you would be good for pretty much every thing.
Without really searching any here is what you would need minus brass, powder, bullets, and primers
Press Powder measure and Scale for $125.99
Dies for $31.99
Calipers for $14.99
Press Powder measure and Scale for $125.99
Dies for $31.99
Calipers for $14.99
A press,dies,powder measure and scale are the big items along with a few small tools.
Lee makes a kit for ~$125 that I've had a couple friends start with, but if you had the funds I'd really reccomend either the Hornady or RCBS master kits like this.
And right now they have a $50 rebate.
If you're gonna start read a manual Speer, Hornady or Lyman all have good ones and ask questions here there are plenty of us that have been at it a while and love to help people down the road to addiction.
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This. I put off reloading waaay to long. It isn't really that hard. Buy and read "The ABCs of Reloading" and one or more of the manuals from one of the component manufacturers: Speer, Hornady, Nosler, etc. Even the instructions that come with the dies are informative. Take your time. You'll get it.Willie Sutton said:
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With all the chamberings in rifles now, it's hard for me to believe that there isn't already a veritable plethora of choices out there as it is.
What's wrong, for example, with a rifle chambered in .357 magnum?
What's wrong, for example, with a rifle chambered in .357 magnum?
Add all that up it is barebones and a hunter who fires 5 shots a year maybe can buy enough ammo for 20-30 years. hand loading aint as good as it was, nothing is, being you cant find components and when you do very costly. A good setup is way more then that anyway
Elkins45
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I would be happy if this revised interest in the 375 Winchester locally. It's a fantastic cast bullet cartridge and the case can be formed for 30-30, although they end up a tad short.
Still, if I were an Ohio or Indiana hunter who suddenly found himself able to use rifles for the first time there's no reason a 44 magnum , 45-70 or 444 Marlin lever gun couldn't be found already sitting on a sales rack nearby.
I would have absolutely no reservations about using a properly loaded 44 magnum on even a big whitetail, and I'm not a fan of using mouse guns on big game. A hard cast 300 grain flat point would put a hurting on a whitetail like nobody's business as long as the shooter puts it through the vital organs, and the straight wall pistol cartridges are a great place to learn how to reload.
My experience has been that the simple Lee Loader kits work very well, albeit a bit slowly. The Lee Loader has been the gateway tool for many a shooter to become a reloading addict.
Still, if I were an Ohio or Indiana hunter who suddenly found himself able to use rifles for the first time there's no reason a 44 magnum , 45-70 or 444 Marlin lever gun couldn't be found already sitting on a sales rack nearby.
I would have absolutely no reservations about using a properly loaded 44 magnum on even a big whitetail, and I'm not a fan of using mouse guns on big game. A hard cast 300 grain flat point would put a hurting on a whitetail like nobody's business as long as the shooter puts it through the vital organs, and the straight wall pistol cartridges are a great place to learn how to reload.
My experience has been that the simple Lee Loader kits work very well, albeit a bit slowly. The Lee Loader has been the gateway tool for many a shooter to become a reloading addict.
Theohazard
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Then you probably shouldn't be looking for someone to come up with a new cartridge. It's highly unlikely that a new cartridge would be popular enough for you to easily find it in stores. It sounds like reloading for an existing cartridge is definitely the way to go.bscott29 said:
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No we don't.bscott29 said:
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hmm...375 Winchester, 445 SuperMag and 444 Marlin are all pretty good.
I have used the first two around here in SE Texas a few times.
But my all time favorite will always be a 45-70 Gov.
I have used the first two around here in SE Texas a few times.
But my all time favorite will always be a 45-70 Gov.
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