Someone needs to make a new straight walled rifle cartridge for deer hunting in Ohio

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Fisherman_48768 said:
What a 32 cal then get a 32-40 winchester.
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Don McDowell said:
If a rifle chamber in the handgun cartridges wont' suit you, and the 45-70 and 444 are to big. You may want to consider a 32 Winchester special, 375 Winchester, 32-40, or 38-55. All are available over the counter, and all have a good reputation.
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32 Winchester Special and 32-40 are not straight walled and not on Ohio's list.
 
That ought to do well, If you want to flatten trajectory out a might try Hornady FTXs, my gun doesn't like them but others seem to shoot them well.
 
If I still lived there, I'd grab a 44 Mag and load it up with the slower powders. Both 357 and 44 mag gain a ton in a bolt/lever action carbine/rifle length barrel when. Used with proper powder. The .357 doesn't quite get to .30-30 performance inside 200 yards and the .44 passes it. Plenty of Ohio sized game animals have been taken at those power levels. If you want to hunt in the open fields, I'd grab a 45-70, practice a bunch, and then get a good range finder to know your drop.
 
buckhorn_cortez said:
Big Horn Armory Model 89, lever action, Smith & Wesson .500. They will also make it in S&W .460 which would be flatter shooting than the .500. Or, you can special order a Marlin Model 1894 in .44 magnum from Gallery of Guns.



Many states want to limit the distance that a projectile will travel in deer hunting areas because of flat terrain and/or the proximity of the hunting area to houses. Therefore, they have "shotgun only" hunting areas - I fail to see why safety concerns are "screwed up."
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In all of our "shotgun only zones" you can shoot a full auto Browning .50 Caliber the other 350 days not in deer season...
 
+100 to the folks that said:

--.357 Maximum &
--.38-55 or .375 Win

are gonna be your best tradeoff of flat trajectory and penetrating power / terminal ballistics. These are great cartridges. Very reasonable recoil levels as well.

.357 Maximum (not magnum) with 158 grainers from a rifle barrel will produce a very respectable velocity and have plenty of killing power to 200 yards, I do believe. Not a "rope" trajectory - you gotta learn it and know it - but a very good one.

You can find both leverguns and single shots on the used market in .38-55 / .375 Win (though not really "common"), and you can find plenty of single shots in .357 Maximum (T/C Contender, Lone Eagle, etc.) - both pistol and rifle (but mainly pistol).

http://www.gunbroker.com/Lever-Action-Rifles/BI.aspx?ca=5000110

http://www.gunbroker.com/Lever-Action-Rifles/BI.aspx?ca=5000099

Note that .375 has quite a bit more oomph than .38-55, though almost the same case.

Well, it appears there's a dearth of RIFLES in .357 max (not pistols), so a .38-55 or .375 win lever action may be your best bet here. Well, or just order a .357 max barrel from Bulberry, SSK, etc., and slap on a T/C contender rifle frame.
 
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I am glad that you found what you wanted, OP. If I was in your shoes that would be a good choice. The purpose of the law is to restrict cartridges to those that do not exceed the range of slugs by much but give the hunter an option of a more accurate and handier true rifle with more effective bullets. There really is no point of a new cartridge because it would defeat the purpose of the law.
Since my state is divided into shotgun slug and rifle zones I would welcome that law here.
 
What is really interesting is doing a google search. The Ohio rifle and pistol associations web site says the new law they worked so hard to get passed is for pistol cartridge rifles only. The bit about straightwalled cases came on the NRA's legislatures web with the caviat that the gun hold no more than 3 rounds , and as near as I can tell the Ohio DNR site still says no rifles other than muzzleloaders in muzzleloading season....
 
I did not see it on the list, but it is a straight walled pistol caliber that would be more effective than a 38 special IMHO, and that is the 10MM. I know of at least two companies that make a 10MM carbine. They are both built on an AR15 platforms. Thureon Defense and Olympic Arms Inc. both make the 10MM carbine.
 
d2wing said:
I am glad that you found what you wanted, OP. If I was in your shoes that would be a good choice. The purpose of the law is to restrict cartridges to those that do not exceed the range of slugs by much but give the hunter an option of a more accurate and handier true rifle with more effective bullets. There really is no point of a new cartridge because it would defeat the purpose of the law.
Since my state is divided into shotgun slug and rifle zones I would welcome that law here.
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The nice thing is the handier part. I'm short, 5'8". With winter coat and orange vest my winchester super X2 shotgun was a bit big honestly. The little guide gun I bought is really nice for a short guy like me. The 45-70 should be just fine.
 
BCRider said:
Natman, if the options are limited to the official list that's one thing. But from the pictures in that link the 32-40 is as straight walled as the similarly tapered 38-55 which IS on the list.
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It appears the options ARE limited to the list, so arguing the point is, well, pointless. It's a law, furthermore it's a state game law, so don't expect it to be perfectly logical.

FWIW, the 32-40 is considerably more tapered than the 38-55 (.084" vs .029"). Also the last production rifle made in 32-40 had to be pre-WWII (not counting the John Wayne) and none of the majors load for it. I'd guess it never occurred to the Ohio game commission to include it. I don't think 44-70 Maynard is on the list either and it IS straight walled.
 
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Actually Winchester has some highwalls out in 32-40 as well as some model 94's. C Sharps, and CPA both offer the cartridge as a chambering option, and Winchester still makes season production runs of both loaded ammo and brass. Plus it's just a simple deal to run 38-55 brass into a 32-40 size die...
 
"Pistol cartridge rifles only."

Well, if that's the case, clearly .357 mag, .375 Linebaugh, .44 mag, and .45 colt are in, and .444 marlin, .375 Win, and .45-70 are out. But what about .357 maximum and .445 supermag, for example? Are they pistol cartridges or rifle cartridges? I would contend definitely pistol, since that's what they're most often chambered in, and what their origin was - pistol silhouette was their raison d'etre, I believe.

So IF that's the real deal, I'd run with one of those: .357 maximum or .445 supermag.
 
"Pistol cartridge rifles only."
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Ohio has had handgun hunting since the 80's so "the rifle list" is what has been allowed for handgun hunting over the years, not what's popular handgun chamberings. The list has been tweaked over the years to include some non traditional handgun chamberings.
 
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It's the "straight wall only" thing that throws me. I honestly can't see that as a reasonable criteria. If they're worried about distance, why a .44 Mag and not a .38-40 which is much less powerful, but used in pistols and rifles forever? Yes, it's a slightly bottled necked cartridge, so it's automatically eliminated. Same for the .45-70. Since when is that a usual pistol cartridge?

As previously stated, gov't agencies work in strange ways.
 
Maybe someone there had enough knowledge to find out the 38-40 and 44-40 were originally rifle cartridges?? So while they are/were dual purpose, the wcf thru them off? lol
 
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