Remington 360 Buckhammer

troy fairweather said:
Has anyone seen the case specs, I don't think they would but if they pull the crap Winchester did with the 350 if would suck. Win the first few weeks said it was a 223 case and it will load 358s just fine, as we know that's not true. if the 360 really is just a 30-30 that would be great and even though I love the 35 rem and can make brass I'd really like to try the 360bh. A nice 200 grain lead or jacketed is perfect for the woods and even though like the 35 rem hunters know they really hit harder then the 30-30 even if paper ballistics seem close.
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this was on TFB
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I think it makes more sense to introduce a new .35cal cartridge than to put the Maximum in a rifle length action. You leave a lot on the table that way. The .360 beats the Max by 400fps.
 
You know...folks were doing this back in the early 1900's...35/30-30...lol old is new and new is old.

Newer powders and rifles make this look interesting from a loaders standpoint. I know getting a 250gr going from my 14" Contender barrel is fun for hitting steel.

Regardless, this may be a neat little TC cartridge...say like a 357 Super-Max?
 
Compare barrel lengths!

24” for RBH
14” for Max

More like maybe 100fps in the real world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_Remington_Maximum

1.6 vs 1.8”.
1.8cc volume vs 2.3?
Looking at about 5gr difference in powder capacity.
Maybe 18 vs 23

Velocity increases as a square root function of weight increase of powder charge.
Increase is 21%. This yields approximately a5% increase in velocity or 110fps.
When talking apples to apples... not apples to oranges...

I was comparing the .357max to the .357 Herret which is quite close to the .360 RBH.
THE .360RBH is likely to have a lower case capacity as it is a tapered.30/30 case whereas the .357 Herret is bottle necked... ( slightly, small shoulder).
 
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That’s correct.

360 Buckhammer Specs
  • Caliber: .358 in.
  • Parent Case: .30/30
  • Available Loads: 180-grain and 200-grain Core-Lokt soft points
  • Muzzle Velocity (200 grain): 2217 fps
  • Muzzle Velocity (180 grain): 2350 fps
  • Muzzle Energy (200 grain): 2,183 ft.-lb.
  • Muzzle Energy (180 grain): 2,299 ft.-lb.
  • Effective Range: 200 yards plus
  • Case Length: 1.8 in.
  • COL: 2.380 in.
  • Max Case Pressure: 50,000 psi
  • MSRP: $36.99/box of 20
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https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/360-buckhammer/
 
someguy2800 said:
I think they should have done a 375 caliber instead of 358 to differentiate themselves a bit from 350 legend.
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That was actually my initial thought as well but I am glad they didn’t. I have a mess of 358 bullets and I am sure many other people do too. Especially those who are already fans of 35 Rem. Folks who have already invested in 375 Win and hunt in a restrictive state would benefit with 375 bullets.

mcb said:
Seems sort of pricy. You can get 350 legend FMJ for ~$15 a box and hunting ammo for less than $30 a box at the local Academy.
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My first instinct is to say that its only $7. This is coming from someone who has shot over $300 worth of 300 Win Mag premium ammo over the last few months dialing in for a pretty important out of state hunt.

Those circumstances aside, I would say you are right. If they want to compete with the 350 from a cartridge to cartridge aspect, they are not doing themselves any favors with that price point for their ammo. I guess they are willing to compete with the type of firearm used. That being, a lever action vs. AR-15/bolt action. They can both be had in single shot.

Also, Win ammo tends to be less expensive than Remington ammo in a few classes of cartridges. Rarely ever the other way around. I think Winchester would be wise to tool up for some 360 BH ammo because I think they can undercut Rem/Vista in this product even on low margin ammo.

Also, it is possible that real world pricing may bring them closer together.
 
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mcb said:
Seems sort of pricy. You can get 350 legend FMJ for ~$15 a box and hunting ammo for less than $30 a box at the local Academy.
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Everything seems sort of pricy to me these days but I am sure you are going to be able to find something cheaper. Like the 350 legend, I don’t see it being a ground breaking round for me but I have had a 357 Maximum rifle for years and it too, doesn’t really do anything I need, so if I get one or both of the others it will just be a step towards “at least one of everything”, more than something I could really use.

Not to mention, I am not real sure when the last time I purchased factory centerfire ammunition. A number of my centerfire firearms have never even fired store bought ammunition. Some of them you couldn’t buy mass produced ammunition for, even if you wanted to.
 
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jmorris said:
Everything seems sort of pricy to me these days but I am sure you are going to be able to find something cheaper. Like the 350 legend, I don’t see it being a ground breaking round for me but I have had a 357 Maximum rifle for years and it too, doesn’t really do anything I need, so if I get one or both of the others it will just be a step towards “at least one of everything”, more than something I could really use.

Not to mention, I am not real sure when the last time I purchased factory centerfire ammunition. A number of my centerfire firearms have never even fired store bought ammunition.
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Yeah I have not bought any center-fire ammo since before COVID started. Like you my 450 BM and 300 BO pistols have never seen factory ammo.

Just given the similarities with 350 Legend the price comparison seemed app. My nephew built one last summer so I had bought him ammo to start building up a pool of brass.
 
Both the 350 Legend and the 360 Buckhammer are answers to problems that don't exist. I wish the manufacturers of both guns and ammo would put this production capacity into the more commonly used calibers. Neither of these rounds provide any legitimate advantage over any number of other more established rounds.
 
The old gunsmith said:
Both the 350 Legend and the 360 Buckhammer are answers to problems that don't exist. I wish the manufacturers of both guns and ammo would put this production capacity into the more commonly used calibers. Neither of these rounds provide any legitimate advantage over any number of other more established rounds.
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I have to whole heartedly disagree. Sometimes a new cartridge is not made to increase performance but to replicated a given performance in a new cartridge optimized for a new platform. The 350 legend brings a 35 caliber straight-wall cartridge to the AR platform. The 360 Buckhammer does similar for actions that prefer a rimmed cartridges like lever actions. Yes the 35-cal straight-wall requirement is a bit contrived by a handful of states' hunting regulations but that does not change the fact that both of these cartridges will be solid medium-game medium-range cartridges.

The AR has become the poster child of this trend. How many new cartridges have been developed to replicate an older cartridge but in a cartridge form that is compatible with the AR-15 or AR-10 platform.

224 Valkyrie
25-45 Sharps
6.5 Grendle
6.8 SPC/SPCII
300 Blackout
300 Ham'r
30 Remington AR
350 Legend
450 Bushmaster
458 SOCOM

Just to name a few of the more popular ones made for the AR-15

Variety is the spice of life!
 
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The old gunsmith said:
Both the 350 Legend and the 360 Buckhammer are answers to problems that don't exist.
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If you do not deer hunt in a state with straight wall limitations, then you don’t have the problem these address.

I went through significant and expensive gyrations to meet the indiana regulations some years ago. These would have been great.
 
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35 Remington has been fading away for quite a while, from what I can tell. A couple of days ago I learned that Marlin was releasing the 336 again. If the 336 is put together anything like the recent 1895s they will look great.
I have 2 - 30-30 lever guns now. A Marlin 336 and a Winchester 93 carbine. I don’t really need another 30-30, so when I saw that they might release the 336 in 35 Remington I went on a hunt for loading components, brass in particular.

Starling Brass no longer lists 35 Remington. They still list 38-56 in 3 variations. Look for yourself.
https://www.starlinebrass.com/rifle-brass/

Remington does not list 35 Remington brass any longer on their own web page.
https://www.remington.com/handloading/brass/

Midway USA has Remington 35 Rem brass as Discontinued
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021429551

Midway has Hornady 35 Remington brass as out of stock - no backorder. BUT Hornady still has it listed as a catalog item on their website.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021380046?pid=728060

Henry still lists 35 Rem rifles. https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/side-gate-lever-action/

I looked into 35 Remington a few years back. It didn’t get a lot of love then. I wouldn’t be surprised if the new Marlin 336 came out in 360 Buckhammer and not 35 Remington.
 
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I was able to get 200 rounds of 35 rem jamison brass a couple years ago. Havn't seen any since except on gunbroker for $1+ per round. No its not for sale.
 
I could see the 360 buckhammer replacing 35 Remington in future leverguns too. I wish it wouldn't, but I can sure see it happening...

Edit to add: I don't have any 35 rem firearms (sadly) so if the new Ruger/marlin comes out in 360 buckhammer I'll probably be interested.
 
The old gunsmith said:
Both the 350 Legend and the 360 Buckhammer are answers to problems that don't exist. I wish the manufacturers of both guns and ammo would put this production capacity into the more commonly used calibers. Neither of these rounds provide any legitimate advantage over any number of other more established rounds.
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I guess I do not agree. The .360 BH addresses these problems and circumstances:

1. It is legal in straight wall cartridge states and those that have a 1.8 inch minimum case length law which the .35 Rem is not in either case.
2. It nearly duplicates and may exceed .35 Rem on the high side and can be loaded down to pussycat levels easily.
3. It uses commonly available .30-30 brass unlike the .35 Rem which is hard to find increasingly.
4. It is designed to run in lever guns instead of stink'n AR rifles like the .350 Legend and could probably work in some revolver formats.
5. It is new so it must be better ;) and straight wall is funner to load for and easier IMO.
 
mongoslow said:
where and what kind? only thing in 350L I've found at that price is 145gr fmj
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Tommy gun warehouse, it's kahr arms store front we have just over the border in Pennsylvania. Think it was Winchester, can't remember the exact bullet but it was a 180sp. They had like 60 boxes. I grabbed 3 boxes of 6mmarc today.
 
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