You would be correct. I personally know several dozen "immigrants" here and overwhelmingly they are very pro-gun and pro-freedom in general.
Messed up situation in Washington State.
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You would be correct. I personally know several dozen "immigrants" here and overwhelmingly they are very pro-gun and pro-freedom in general.
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I totally get your point. Often, members of internet firearms forums throw their fellow members in states with unfavorable firearms laws under the bus for remaining "behind enemy lines" and "allowing" their state to craft new, restrictive gun laws. Like we're all responsible for letting this happen...
I lived in San Diego County for many years, raised children there and had some of the best times of my life. Still own property in North County. Visit often. I used to believe I'd retire in SD, as when I first went there in the late '70s, it still had a small-town charm in many areas. So much to do there. What people who've never lived in SoCal don't seem to realize is that there is an active -- and huge- RKBA, gun-owning and shooting culture down there. The problem is the overwhelming number of voters who have no interest in the RKBA, who vote straight blue, and yes, most of them weren't born there and migrated from somewhere else. I have many, many friends and family members who still reside there. They all get tired of hearing people say, "Just move away from there" like they have Jed Clampett's new money. One can be committed to the RKBA but still have compelling reasons to remain in a state with crappy politics and heinous gun laws.
I came up to WA in the early '90s, happy to be in a place with incredible favorable gun laws (and lack thereof) as well as shall-issue CPLs with no training requirement and a modest fee. Just within the past decade (pretty much since 2014) have this state's gun laws gone from few and favorable to draconian, restrictive and just plain stupid. It's a shame. But the reasons we will leave here is not solely due to this. Much of the state's natural beauty has been trashed, literally, and the cities, counties and state governments do nothing about it. The tax situation is out of control -- highest gas tax in the country, sales taxes up to 10% in most areas. Housing is ridiculous -- manufactured homes are selling for over half a million bucks and the average rents of single-family homes is over 2K a month. Property taxes continue to rise while services (road maintenance, EMS, public schools) continue to decline, either being curtailed completely or run incompetently. There's 12 months of highway maintenance throughout the state. Traffic sucks everywhere, even in my little town of 14,000. Now the Dem majority in the statehouse is making noise about a state income tax. Immigration is out of control, taxpayers fund 24/7 "safe injection sites" for the addicts, the homeless population is out of control, tents along city streets in every city, beggars on almost every corner, property crime skyrocketing, the state prison system released half its inmates early during the pandemic, there's virtually no system for mental health care in place, yet the King County taxpayers voted to fund the new stadium for the Seahawks a few years back, so the team's billionaire owner wouldn't move the team. But we do have drive through coffee shops in every strip mall, and a Starbucks on every block, so there's that. Yeah, the gun laws suck. But it's only one reason we'll be moving. While we value freedom and liberty above all, there are other factors involved in evaluating quality of life for one's family.
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Loved salt water fishing out of San Diego when I lived in SoCal.
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I was born and raised in Idaho 15 miles from where I live now.
When I got divorced in AZ and moved back to the area in 2013, I could only afford a $120k home. I found a good deal on one in a picturesque little town just over the border in WA, 15 miles from family and work.
At the time, there were no differences in gun freedoms between WA and ID. No income tax in WA, higher gas and sales tax, but I did all my shopping in ID, so no big deal.
In the ten years since buying my home, WA has become an incredibly oppressive state in regards to gun laws. My property taxes have doubled, as have my water/sewer rates. But still no income tax, which is about a $500 month savings.
I'm dating a woman who lives in WA, but 75 miles North of me. She wants to sell her $600k home and move to an acreage in the country. She is a conservative, Christian, hard-working woman who is smart and has no debt. She hasn't shot a gun since she was a child.
She wants to buy in WA. We are already planning for the future together and I told her that I was willing to relocate to her area and sell my home and get another job. But, I absolutely would not buy a home in WA. She was shocked by the WA gun laws and understands my position, but it would be a 45-minute commute for her to be over the border in Idaho.
So, in her case, she is a WA resident that has no reason to move to Idaho 20 miles away. I think the income tax angle and skyrocketing property values in Idaho have kept many WA folks out. Crime in the area we are looking at is about the same as across the border since the WA laws breed criminals and they move freely across the border to prey on folks in Idaho.
Now, coming from an extreme area like Seattle and moving to Couer D'Alene would be attractive. My GF moved from Seattle to Spokane when she divorced for lower crime and "affordable" houses. She paid $350k for her home, which was a bargain compared to the $1.3 million dollar home she left. Had she been a gun enthusiast, she would have happily moved over the border in Idaho.
When I got divorced in AZ and moved back to the area in 2013, I could only afford a $120k home. I found a good deal on one in a picturesque little town just over the border in WA, 15 miles from family and work.
At the time, there were no differences in gun freedoms between WA and ID. No income tax in WA, higher gas and sales tax, but I did all my shopping in ID, so no big deal.
In the ten years since buying my home, WA has become an incredibly oppressive state in regards to gun laws. My property taxes have doubled, as have my water/sewer rates. But still no income tax, which is about a $500 month savings.
I'm dating a woman who lives in WA, but 75 miles North of me. She wants to sell her $600k home and move to an acreage in the country. She is a conservative, Christian, hard-working woman who is smart and has no debt. She hasn't shot a gun since she was a child.
She wants to buy in WA. We are already planning for the future together and I told her that I was willing to relocate to her area and sell my home and get another job. But, I absolutely would not buy a home in WA. She was shocked by the WA gun laws and understands my position, but it would be a 45-minute commute for her to be over the border in Idaho.
So, in her case, she is a WA resident that has no reason to move to Idaho 20 miles away. I think the income tax angle and skyrocketing property values in Idaho have kept many WA folks out. Crime in the area we are looking at is about the same as across the border since the WA laws breed criminals and they move freely across the border to prey on folks in Idaho.
Now, coming from an extreme area like Seattle and moving to Couer D'Alene would be attractive. My GF moved from Seattle to Spokane when she divorced for lower crime and "affordable" houses. She paid $350k for her home, which was a bargain compared to the $1.3 million dollar home she left. Had she been a gun enthusiast, she would have happily moved over the border in Idaho.
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I’ll agree with that, for now, but patterns being what they are, I’m skeptical it will remain that way. I really like Huntsville, and go there often. Let’s hope that the libertarianism stays that way.
I agree, and thankfully this is where the barefoot hicks stereotype helps keep quite a bit with keeping the group-think liberals out.
Also reach out next time you come to town and we can go to the range or grab a beer together and enjoy one of the good things that the non locals have brought us.
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My personal theory is that anti-gun liberalism breeds in an environment of
A) multi-generation urban dwellers (“the solution to our problems is to get the {city, county, national} govt to enact x new law” vs “the solution to our problems is to be more self-sufficient and we don’t need new regulations.”)
B) Children of those urban families who either grow up poor, uneducated, (probably without a father figure) and listening to the drivel that’s constantly parroted in the mainstream media (“guns are bad”)
or C) children of those urban families who grow up privileged and are sent to a university, where almost universally the professors and faculty tend to be far-left. The kids join in the hedonistic culture, stop practicing their family’s religion (if they had one) and are educated in a new religion of materialism, one of the tenets of which is that gun violence is a big problem and should be addressed by banning guns.
So anywhere you have long-established very urban areas, large slums, or large percentages of “highly successful educated upper middle class people,” there’s probably going to be a disproportionate amount of gun-grabbers. Sadly this describes most urban areas in the country these days. And urban areas always handily outnumber rural areas. If we voted by County and not by state or by individual, America’s gun laws would be a completely different picture.
A) multi-generation urban dwellers (“the solution to our problems is to get the {city, county, national} govt to enact x new law” vs “the solution to our problems is to be more self-sufficient and we don’t need new regulations.”)
B) Children of those urban families who either grow up poor, uneducated, (probably without a father figure) and listening to the drivel that’s constantly parroted in the mainstream media (“guns are bad”)
or C) children of those urban families who grow up privileged and are sent to a university, where almost universally the professors and faculty tend to be far-left. The kids join in the hedonistic culture, stop practicing their family’s religion (if they had one) and are educated in a new religion of materialism, one of the tenets of which is that gun violence is a big problem and should be addressed by banning guns.
So anywhere you have long-established very urban areas, large slums, or large percentages of “highly successful educated upper middle class people,” there’s probably going to be a disproportionate amount of gun-grabbers. Sadly this describes most urban areas in the country these days. And urban areas always handily outnumber rural areas. If we voted by County and not by state or by individual, America’s gun laws would be a completely different picture.
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I'm from western NC we definitely had the whole stereotype thing going but now it's gone as Asheville has become the eastern San Francisco
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I wish I lived in Western NC… and trust me, it’s not that bad in Asheville.
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what I meant was…. Don’t make them feel welcome! Do your best to drive them away. Vote for the craziest Pro Gun Laws & defund the Colleges or something!
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WA residents: Please visit my new post (Red Alert) in the Activism sub-forum so you can do your part and let the legislature know how you feel. Easy-peasy action of the day.
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I left a comment and Cons… But was not polite and gave them a piece of my mind! Time for “Nice comments” is over!
Yep. You want to move here, fine. But don't bring stupid ideas that helped turn your old place into a $#ithole.
Buzznrose
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Sorry, Brother, but I’m a Christian first…although I often don’t act like I should.
But acting like a jerk to folks without a warranted reason isn’t right and I’m working on not being “that guy “.
But I have gotten into some lively conversations about why the place they left is way different than the place they now live…
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kill them with kindness works too!
Now wait a minute. Isn't that all a bunch of infringements? You're saying there are legislators and governors who would violate their oaths of office and allow those restrictions?
And isn't the American Civil Liberties Union really big on defending the rights spelled out in the first ten Amendments? Why aren't they involved?
That occurred to me today because recently they've been running a bunch of ads touting how they're the staunch rock solid defenders of civil liberties and you should join them as a member.
I'm confused.
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Couldn't resist adding the ACLU nutshell position:
https://www.aclu.org/other/second-amendment
We rely on the Miller decision (of the 1930s) that it's a collective right, and the hell with the later Supreme Court stricter scrutiny decisions.
They weasel out thusly:
"Although ACLU policy cites the Supreme Court's decision in U.S. v. Miller as support for our position on the Second Amendment, our policy was never dependent on Miller. Rather, like all ACLU policies, it reflects the ACLU's own understanding of the Constitution and civil liberties."
I believe this is a fair assessment: If we like what the Constitution says, OK, if we don't like it, nuts unto you and the Constitution altogether. Join now!
https://www.aclu.org/other/second-amendment
We rely on the Miller decision (of the 1930s) that it's a collective right, and the hell with the later Supreme Court stricter scrutiny decisions.
They weasel out thusly:
"Although ACLU policy cites the Supreme Court's decision in U.S. v. Miller as support for our position on the Second Amendment, our policy was never dependent on Miller. Rather, like all ACLU policies, it reflects the ACLU's own understanding of the Constitution and civil liberties."
I believe this is a fair assessment: If we like what the Constitution says, OK, if we don't like it, nuts unto you and the Constitution altogether. Join now!
No need to be confused. It's ALL about money and power, and the power part is about getting money for themselves or their cronies who will funnel some of it back to them somehow. ALL of us (including me) who have sat around for the past 10 years or so still thinking that people in decision-making positions in government, or the deep state, or most any American institution these days is likely to do the right thing because it's the right thing, are morons. And we're getting our collective head handed to us while we stand stupefied, arguing among ourselves about who to cast our useless votes for, and believing that these people are just making honest mistakes in judgement. There's not much confusing about it; we're too stupid to survive.
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The wife and I never set foot in the place unless we have too. You could probably afford to live here if you sell your place up there. Buncombe, Henderson, and Transylvania county are expensive but you can get you a nice place in Polk or Haywood county for less than $200,000 and of course if you want to live in the far west of the state near TN it is dirt cheap but you will also be dirt poor as there are no decent jobs there
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One thing I did ok in was real estate. I still have a house is Charlotte that is finally making my some $$$$. Sell my house here is Seattle and buy a nice plot of land and put a Luxury Double wide on it! Shooting Range! and FREEDOM
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Heck yeah man. I'm in Henderson county hit me up if you end up near here. It's nice cause you can go down to SC in 30 minutes too an hour. One of my favorite gun stores is down there, Trader's Guns in Greer
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Let’s go shooting trap in Gastonia! $3.50 a round!
Totally agree. We have anti-American nutjobs on the right and left that don't believe in the Constitution. They quote it when it serves their purposes. The extremists have the same thing common - they want everyone else to believe like them and seem to forget about freedom for all.
I should add that according to my recollection, in Miller, the ACLU is leaning on a case where there was no contrary oral argument against the government's case.
Read this,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller
Note:
"Neither the defendants nor their legal counsel appeared at the Supreme Court. A lack of financial support and procedural irregularities prevented (the Miller) counsel from traveling.[4]
Miller was found shot to death in April, before the decision had been rendered.[5] "
The Wiki article points out that both sides of the "gun control" argument use the Miller case to support their side.
(I add parenthetically that the "revenue" motive for the $200 tax is, to use a non-legal term, a bunch of crap. Two hundred bucks then was equivalent to from $2,777 to $4,273, today, depending on what overall inflation rate you use. (3.0% versus 3.5% per year).)
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I submit that ain't a revenue measure. That's plainly intended as a restrictive tax.
Would you pay that kind of tax in today's dollars to buy a suppressor?
Terry, 230RN
Read this,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller
Note:
"Neither the defendants nor their legal counsel appeared at the Supreme Court. A lack of financial support and procedural irregularities prevented (the Miller) counsel from traveling.[4]
Miller was found shot to death in April, before the decision had been rendered.[5] "
The Wiki article points out that both sides of the "gun control" argument use the Miller case to support their side.
(I add parenthetically that the "revenue" motive for the $200 tax is, to use a non-legal term, a bunch of crap. Two hundred bucks then was equivalent to from $2,777 to $4,273, today, depending on what overall inflation rate you use. (3.0% versus 3.5% per year).)
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I submit that ain't a revenue measure. That's plainly intended as a restrictive tax.
Would you pay that kind of tax in today's dollars to buy a suppressor?
Terry, 230RN
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I actually asked Areo Precisions Reddit account if they had any plans to move to a 2A friendly state and that Oklahoma would gladly welcome them, and they said they plan to stay in Tacoma/Lakewood WA and fight this as long as they can.
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