Messed up situation in Washington State.

[Old Dog]

I actually asked Areo Precisions Reddit account if they had any plans to move to a 2A friendly state and that Oklahoma would gladly welcome them, and they said they plan to stay in Tacoma/Lakewood WA and fight this as long as they can.

Good for them. Lots of rumors floating around about Aero (and ZEV Technologies, among others based here).

 

[Mark_Mark]

I actually asked Areo Precisions Reddit account if they had any plans to move to a 2A friendly state and that Oklahoma would gladly welcome them, and they said they plan to stay in Tacoma/Lakewood WA and fight this as long as they can.

I have a feeling they will move Hickory North Carolina area! Ruger is already there

 

[Mark_Mark]

Good for them. Lots of rumors floating around about Aero (and ZEV Technologies, among others based here).

our Socialist city council already drove away 1/2 of Amazon. Shame really

 

[230RN]

I actually asked Areo Precisions Reddit account if they had any plans to move to a 2A friendly state and that Oklahoma would gladly welcome them, and they said they plan to stay in Tacoma/Lakewood WA and fight this as long as they can.

The more people and companies move out, the less resistance "they" will have in their future statist measures... both in regard to 2A rights and any other opression they choose to impose.

I point out that in general I quit using "liberal" and "socialist" a long time ago, and began, where I can get away with it, calling them what they are: communists and communist dupes.

Calling them liberals, socialists, and progressives is just pouring perfume on....

As people used to say in controversial letters to the New York Daily News editors, "I'll bet you don't print this."

Well, the editors did, sometimes.



Terry, 230RN

 

[Trey Veston]

Just spent the weekend up in Spokane with my girlfriend. The first day was spent in downtown Spokane and I was glad I was carrying due to the proliferation of homeless and sketchy people. The city was dirty and rundown, and felt dangerous.

Then we visited a popular gun shop in Spokane and they informed me that they don't sell reloading supplies due to the hassle. They were doing brisk business in gun sales as there was a general feeling of panic over the recent gun laws.

Then we went 15 miles over into Idaho to Couer D'Alene.

There was a St. Patrick's Day parade downtown and it was charming and felt like a small town event...





Then we headed to the most popular gun shop in town, Black Sheep.

I was amazed by the availability of reloading supplies and ammo!

For the first time in years, I was able to buy 1000 small pistol primers. No limit, either! But, prices were high at $79. Powder and bullet availability was impressive, though I didn't find the Accurate #9 or Speer 200gr Gold Dots I have been looking for the past 3 years.









The difference between the two towns and states just a few miles apart was stark.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Just spent the weekend up in Spokane with my girlfriend. The first day was spent in downtown Spokane and I was glad I was carrying due to the proliferation of homeless and sketchy people. The city was dirty and rundown, and felt dangerous.

Then we visited a popular gun shop in Spokane and they informed me that they don't sell reloading supplies due to the hassle. They were doing brisk business in gun sales as there was a general feeling of panic over the recent gun laws.

Then we went 15 miles over into Idaho to Couer D'Alene.

There was a St. Patrick's Day parade downtown and it was charming and felt like a small town event...





Then we headed to the most popular gun shop in town, Black Sheep.

I was amazed by the availability of reloading supplies and ammo!

For the first time in years, I was able to buy 1000 small pistol primers. No limit, either! But, prices were high at $79. Powder and bullet availability was impressive, though I didn't find the Accurate #9 or Speer 200gr Gold Dots I have been looking for the past 3 years.









The difference between the two towns and states just a few miles apart was stark.

WOW! if you think Spokane is bad! lol try Seattle

look at all those pretty boxes of freedom

 

[Trey Veston]

WOW! if you think Spokane is bad! lol try Seattle.

Spokane is bad. Incredibly bad compared to the average in Washington. I go to Seattle every other month to visit my kids and grandkids. The thing about Seattle is that you can avoid the bad areas fairly easily. In Spokane, you have to go through the downtown area to get from the nice parts to the interstate.

Three weeks ago, I was headed home around midnight after visiting my girlfriend and headed down Division to the interstate to leave town. There was a shooting, so the police had it blocked off...



I had to route through the worst part of downtown to get to I-90 and saw a ton of hookers, homeless, druggies, and crazies.

Spokane has a crime index of 6.35 vs 3.36 for the rest of Washington.

"With a crime rate of 53 per one thousand residents, Spokane has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 19. Within Washington, more than 94% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Spokane.

Importantly, when you compare Spokane to other communities of similar population, then Spokane crime rate (violent and property crimes combined) is quite a bit higher than average. Regardless of how Spokane does relative to all communities in America of all sizes, when NeighborhoodScout compared it to communities of similar population size, its crime rate per thousand residents stands out as higher than most."

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wa/spokane/crime#description

 

[zdc1775]

I truly feel bad for the people of WA as it is probably my favorite places that I have lived and there are still plenty of times that I miss living in the Puget Sound area for it's natural beauty, food scene, outdoor activities, and even the weather, but everytime I go back to visit friends and see/experience the decline in the culture and laws I am grateful that I wasn't able to quickly find a good job there after getting out of the military, especially since I was primarily looking for a job in law enforcement back then.

 

[Trey Veston]

I went to a gun shop in Idaho today to buy primers and look at guns. They happened to have the new Sig Sauer P320 X-Ten 10mm pistol in stock for $799.

I told the clerk I couldn't buy it because I lived in WA. He said they would gladly sell me the pistol without the 15-round magazines for the full $799 price. I asked how do I get magazines for it. He said they would sell them to me separate from the gun for $50 each.



But, I thought I couldn't buy the gun with the magazines because it's illegal? He said that the store is not required to ask for ID for magazine purchases and for all they knew, I was going to leave the magazines in Idaho with a friend or family.

So, I confirmed that they would sell me the gun without the magazines for full price, but that I had to then pay them an extra $100 for the two magazines that were supposed to come with the gun.

The world has indeed gone mad.

 

[General Geoff]

The world has indeed gone mad.

Making a tidy profit off of foreigners due to different government regulations back home is as old as governments themselves

 

[Mark_Mark]

Washington people need to vote! it’s like, King Ensly got like 65% vote. So … don’t know, might be moving to Boston (might) 1-2 years, 1/2 way to Florida. So it’s going to be a SAD few years for me were ever I go

 

[Ignition Override]

Trey Veston: None of that seemed evident when I attended survival school (warm month of May) at Fairchild AFB-- 1980. We didn't have time to do anything, but the city seemed alright back then. There was none of this Dystopia talk.

Told my wife that if it weren't for my son and his two little boys living in this area, the idea of living in Idaho might be appealing.
It's never gonna happen for us, this outer suburb is well-managed, and she couldn't take the winters up there. Your winters might be keeping many CA refugees away? Let's hope that they mostly move to Denver etc.

 

[Old Dog]

I truly feel bad for the people of WA as it is probably my favorite places that I have lived and there are still plenty of times that I miss living in the Puget Sound area for it's natural beauty, food scene, outdoor activities, and even the weather...

As I said earlier, it's truly heartbreaking what's happened to and in this state. The natural beauty along every single road and highway is despoiled by trash. Downtown Seattle, once a proud, vibrant city, in some areas resembles a vision from some dystopian movie with tents set up along entire city blocks, open drug use, aggressive homeless people and panhandlers, dirty sidewalks, closed businesses. And yes, Spokane has gotten really bad as well, with traffic that simply sucks. Oh, and after all this time, the city still hasn't figured out snow-plowing.

It ain't necessarily just the changes to firearms laws that's driving all of us out, it's a total and complete shift in the culture up here, the attitudes, the taxes, the horrible local governance, socialist control of the legislature and a governor who, with his buddy the AG, seem determined to rob citizens of their civil liberties while taxing the middle class out of existence.

 

[Mark_Mark]

As I said earlier, it's truly heartbreaking what's happened to and in this state. The natural beauty along every single road and highway is despoiled by trash. Downtown Seattle, once a proud, vibrant city, in some areas resembles a vision from some dystopian movie with tents set up along entire city blocks, open drug use, aggressive homeless people and panhandlers, dirty sidewalks, closed businesses. And yes, Spokane has gotten really bad as well, with traffic that simply sucks. Oh, and after all this time, the city still hasn't figured out snow-plowing.

It ain't necessarily just the changes to firearms laws that's driving all of us out, it's a total and complete shift in the culture up here, the attitudes, the taxes, the horrible local governance, socialist control of the legislature and a governor who, with his buddy the AG, seem determined to rob citizens of their civil liberties while taxing the middle class out of existence.

So meet you in Florida?

at this point, I wish Washington would become California <<< yes, it’s that bad here

 

[Old Dog]

So meet you in Florida?

Somewhere down south of the Mason-Dixon Line, brother!

 

[Mark_Mark]

Somewhere down south of the Mason-Dixon Line, brother!

Yes Sir! I’ll show you old dogs the rope! go gigging for frogs, shoot some hog, eat some bbq and Calabash shrimp!!!

 

[Trey Veston]

Trey Veston: None of that seemed evident when I attended survival school (warm month of May) at Fairchild AFB-- 1980. We didn't have time to do anything, but the city seemed alright back then. There was none of this Dystopia talk.

I imagine crime has probably increased a bit in the past 43 years...

And are you sure it was May of 1980? Mount St. Helens blew on May 18th in 1980. The base was shut down for quite a while in order to clean up all the ash. Pretty sure there were no SERE classes being performed then.

 

[Ignition Override]

Our very short Survival class at Fairchild was in May ‘80, finished days before it Blew up.

By the way, the class, short hikes in woods and especially the simulated POW “camp”
were —much easier— than what Naval aviators and RIOs experienced, at least Back then (they had waterboarding etc)….

 

[Skribs]

I moved from WA to TX last year. Made the decision a few years ago when I bought my first AR and had to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it. I remember when I first became a gun owner, around 15 years ago, that WA was one of the freest states around. How far it's fallen in the last decade is just a shame.

I went gun shopping last weekend. There was a serviceman from WA trying to buy a 5-shot bolt-action rifle, and they weren't sure if they could sell to him. It's a very sad day when you can't sell a 5-shot bolt-action rifle to a currently serving soldier.

 

[Trey Veston]

I was in Idaho at a gun shop and they had the new FN 10mm that comes with a threaded barrel. They said they can't sell it to me because of the new law in WA state. The law has not passed the Senate, so how can a gun shop refuse to sell me a gun or accessory outlawed in a proposed bill??

Of course, same shop will sell me a pistol without the 10+ round magazines for full price, then turn around and sell me the magazines separately.

 

[wayneinFL]

I was in Idaho at a gun shop and they had the new FN 10mm that comes with a threaded barrel. They said they can't sell it to me because of the new law in WA state. The law has not passed the Senate, so how can a gun shop refuse to sell me a gun or accessory outlawed in a proposed bill??

Of course, same shop will sell me a pistol without the 10+ round magazines for full price, then turn around and sell me the magazines separately.

They can refuse any sale they want.

You're from Washington, in Idaho, buying a handgun, correct? They would have to send it to a dealer in your state, correct?

 

[Old Dog]

Well, to update the state of the state.

Attended the Committee for Law & Justice Senate Hearing this morning on our most egregious proposed legislation, E2SHB 1143 (permit to purchase, training requirement, waiting period) and SHB 1240 (the dreaded AWB) which have sugar-coated names implying making the public safer).

The chair of the committee, Manka Dhingra (D, of course) was polite and patient. Those who testified "con" in person and virtually were for the most part reasoned, articulate, presented well and scored some good points. Brought in some out-of-staters from the NRA and NSSF as well as some industry guys.

Those who testified "pro" used the same old, tired and essentially, purely emotional arguments (some quoted very dubious statistics -- we know most mass shootings are carried out with handguns, not AR rifles).

A parent from Stoneman school came up from Florida. Wonder who paid to fly her up?

Even the sponsor of one of the bills couldn't explain how they came up with the list of some 65 "assault weapons" to ban, saying, "I am not a firearms expert." I had to agree with him there.

The governor's wife testified, I guess because she has a well-known name and therefore credibility.

Those who registered "con" on the legislative website and provided written testimony seemed about six times more than those who registered "pro." Although there were more "pros" in attendance, the other side bussed in outsiders (gosh, wonder who paid for all that?)

Lots of RKBA supporters were in evidence. An industry guy testified how these two bills would kill off gun retailers in the state and cause the loss of several thousand jobs.

Other guys noted that if the legislation is passed, some of the politicians present will not have jobs after the next elections (the legislators didn't appear to feel threatened about that).

One who testified "con" related how he'd acquired documentation from a sitting legislator and an outside anti-gun group representative who admitted that their aim was "pay to play" -- in other words, hoist extensive fees and requirements on the citizens who want to exercise their RKBA.

All in all, our side used facts. The other side, emotion -- empty rhetoric, hyperbole, questionable statistics and fear-mongering. After the hearing was over, I was struck with a profound sense of depression.

At the end of the session, I think most of us are resigned to the fact that the Democrats and anti-gun faction cares nothing about logic, the right of Americans to keep and bear arms, the Constitution, nor do any one of them appear to have any idea of what the "gun culture" is truly about. The bills will pass, and Gov. Jay will sign them.

Then, the taxpayers of this state will pay through the nose for years while this stuff goes through every level of the court system.

 

[Trey Veston]

They can refuse any sale they want.

You're from Washington, in Idaho, buying a handgun, correct? They would have to send it to a dealer in your state, correct?

What's you point? They have a couple of FFLs in the WA county a few miles away that they regularly transfer guns to when sold to WA residents. They do it nearly every day, and it is common because the next town over in WA has zero gun shops and the only gun shop for 50 miles in WA is a deputy that runs one out of his home part time with almost no inventory. I usually order a gun online and have it sent to him.

So again, what's your point?

My point was that a dealer is refusing to sell a legal product to me because the state I live in may make it illegal in the future.

That would be like your gun shop refusing to sell you a gun without a manual safety because the US Senate passed a bill making it illegal, but it hadn't passed the House or been signed into law.

How would you feel about that? They have the right to refuse service, after all.

 

[Paul7]

Without getting too political, I will say that Washington is only going to get worse. The insanity is only growing stronger and more emboldened. I truly wish there was a way these people could get exactly what they want without the sane among them being pulled in too.
I would prescribe a few weeks in a virtual reality world built around every single aspect of their ideology, carried to its logical conclusion.

WA is bad, look at the Pike Place area, now overrun by the homeless, Portland-stye. At this rate they'll shortly be instituting a state income tax.

Unfortunately, things like the AWB and background checks are supported by majorities.

 

[Old Dog]

WA is bad, look at the Pike Place area, now overrun by the homeless, Portland-stye. At this rate they'll shortly be instituting a state income tax.

I refuse to take visiting family or friends into Seattle anymore. Especially anywhere near Pike Place. On the rare occasions that I've gone to sporting events or concerts over the past few years, the situation along Alaskan Way and the streets from the ferry docks to the stadiums or downtown is embarrassing -- surreal, like a third world country. Reminds me of when I visited the huge encampment in the Manila garbage dump.

The state income tax is gonna happen. It'll have to, to fund the state's defense against the challenges to the new laws. And we already have the nation's highest sales and gas taxes. Plus skyrocketing housing costs and property tax rates.

Unfortunately, things like the AWB and background checks are supported by majorities.

Here it is essentially the majority in only a couple, maybe three counties. Of course, they happen to be the most populous and liberal counties. The majorities in every other county in the state oppose this nonsense.