Age discrimination in issuing carry permits

To be realistic, she couldnt even buy a gun to carry if she's 20, even if the CCW law was changed.

You're talking about a lot of changes.

Also, I am well aware of your appreciation of the female form, but could we sometimes have males in pictures too? They are few and far between. They wouldnt have to be body-builders, just every day men in some of your posters would make me happy.

Well that's quite beside the point. Of course she could be given one but that flies completely in the face of self-protection.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you, I just think its too big of a fish to fry.

Old enough by law to vote.
Old enough by law to die for your country.

Well then, by damn, your are old enough to carry a concealed firearm.

Time for change, I concur.

I agree wholeheartedly, as a big fan of Oleg's art and messages, and as an 18year old University student who feels like a sitting duck to such acts of violence as witnessed in VA. In my opinion, we need to choose one age and stick with it, we say that at 18 a child becomes an adult, can enter into their own contracts, and do whatever the hell they want except buy beer. We hold 18 year olds fully responsible for their actions, and yet the secondary age limit of 21 persists for certain things. I feel I have every right to defend myself as those 21 and older, but the law forbids me the legal means. Here's hoping for 2 1/4 years of continued luck for me, because untill I am 21, I am at the mercy of anyone who decides they want to shoot me and my classmates.

At age 15 1/2, I was issued a permit to operate one of the most dangerous weapons available to the average citizen, and here they tell me that I have no right to an effective means of self defense until age 21.

I want to fight this long after I have turned 21, as long as it takes to give competent adults the right be secure.

Jim Crow laws have no place in our society. If you can die for your country and elect leaders, you should be able to buy/own/carry a handgun and purchase/consume alchohol, (though preferably not together.)

Companion piece:

Similar picture of 17-year-old boy.
"At 17, he can be compelled to carry a gun to defend you.
But he can't choose to carry a gun to defend himself."

NH allows for concealed carry license at 18 years of age. My daughter who turned 18 last year got her license and carries when allowed to. In NH no court houses, Federal buildings or National Parks. Every where else is allowed.


I looked at other states laws and find you can not carry where they sell or serve booze even if you are not drinking. I agreed if you are drinking no firearms.

On Saturday night/ Sunday morning in Manchester NH a person with a concealed carry license stopped a man from shooting up a club. Male with license had a 380 keltec and the bad guy had a 45 and was shooting in the general direction. No hits on people by bad guy but two out of three hits by the good guy with the 380.

The young lady should move to Indiana. It's 18 here.

Of course, being able to carry without administrative inference with your civil rights in another thing all together.

Alcohol is an interesting side-note to this debate

At core, methinks the issue revolves around our culture lacking a positive & specific "coming of age". Instead of clearly informing a youth "you have achieved X, Y and Z, therefore you are now an adult with all the privileges and responsibilities thereof", we have this scattered hodgepodge of vices and suffrages scattered across half a decade, independent of ability, and at some point (possibly long after) they figure out they're adults (maybe).

I think it should be 18 for females, 21 for males unless they join the military (they will be issued a firearm in the service anyway). Supposedly the risk taking part of your brain does not fully mature until your 25, but for the most parts guys are knuckleheads until they reach their 20's. Women on the other hand seem to be less aggressive then men in there late teen. Also at that age they would need the protection.

Lonestar said:

I think it should be 18 for females, 21 for males unless they join the military (they will be issued a firearm in the service anyway).

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Why? Why should I, at 19, be denied the ability to effectively defend myself should the need arise?

I'm going to be a college student next fall. The event of yesterday, while I knew it could happen anywhere, anytime, still had the effect of further opening my eyes to the violence that exists in the world and the need to defend oneself against it.

I'm sure that out of the 30-some students killed yesterday there were men under the age of 21 in that count. Why should they be denied the ability to defend themselves against a deadly attacker, while according to your thinking the women on the campus should be permitted to carry the tools necessary to defend themselves?


I personally really like the concept of this poster of Oleg's.

Picture of a soldier in Iraq, smoke, crater, etc, looking over his shoulder at the camera, holding an M4.

"When he returns to his hometown, after defending you, he will not be allowed to defend himself. He's too young."

Let's get a BUNCHA issues in one poster.

18 y.o. in Indiana can apply for carry licence. No age discrimination here.

Lonestar, I don't think that all men are knuckleheads until their mid-20s. I think a lot of it is how one is raised.

I have carried since I was 13. However, I brought up by a father who taught me about guns, and uncles who aided and abetted my love of them. I spent summers at my uncle's horse and cattle farm in Southern Indiana with a .22 on my belt and always had access to his collection with the provision that I paid for my own ammo and cleaned his guns.

At 18 I could legally carry off private property, I did so. As I was born into the gun culture, a cleaning patch diaper baby, it was unremarkable and was the same for an 18 year old of today to have a cell phone or ipod as it was for me to carry a pistol.

Blanket statements are always dangerous. I see no reason to deny someone their civil rights because they fail to reach some governmentally decided age of maturity. If you are old enough to vote, contract, and carry a rifle for Uncle Sam, then you are old enough to carry a pistol for defense of yourself and others.

"Carrying" what?

Smith kit gun usually or Ruger MKI.

To be realistic, she couldnt even buy a gun to carry if she's 20

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An 18 year old Texas resident can buy a handgun from an in-state non-FFL. I'm pretty sure Texas isn't the only state where that's the case.

Unfortuantly age discrimination isn't taken seriously in the US.

As i'm sure you all know during the vietnam war the voting age was 21 in spite of the fact that you could still be conscripted into the military at the time. Perhaps it would be effective to illustrate the same concept in regards to this.

Unfortuantly age discrimination isn't taken seriously in the US.

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The problem is, the only people whining about it are a bunch of snotty kids!

--Len.