Age discrimination in issuing carry permits

[ndh87]

I am 20 also. I received a handgun as a high school graduation present. I am responsible and level headed, it bothers me that I am not allowed to carry in order to protect myself. I've been shooting since i could walk, but right now the closest I can get to CCW is carrying my Mossberg in the truck with me, unloaded as per the law

 

[Spartacus451]

I had literally dozens of photos of her boyfriend...and they all had safety violations in them I'll oblige you, just for variety.

Photoshop. All is fair in love and war.

 

[Jiggz]

Hey JerryM



It's the ones who ARE mature that would be willing to get a CCW. DON'T YOU GUYS GET IT! Just as the great majority of over 21 CCWr's are MATURE RESPONSIBLE ADULTS the same would hold true of those over 18 if they were allowed their rights because ONLY THE MATURE ONES SEEK TO GET LICENSED. :banghead: Heck, I am the ONLY one my age that I know of who carries. I'm also one of the most mature young adults I know.

Once again, how is disarming 18-21 year olds anything but age discrimination? It sounds like the same argument the anti's use to deny over 21 people. We are all just SOOOOOO IMMATURE that we can't be trusted

 

[Joe Demko]

The majority of my students are in the 16 to 19 age group. Neither this year's batch, nor any previous year's, provides me with convincing evidence that the age limit should be lowered. Yes, there have been individual kids whom I would trust to carry discretely and maturely. As a group, they very nicely illustrate the foibles of youth.

 

[Jiggz]

Hey Joe,

What makes you think all these IMMATURE 18-21 year olds are going to get a permit and carry legally if they had the option. If that was the case there would be MANY MORE 21 year olds carrying legally and doing stupid IMMATURE stuf but this is just not so. If anything, I think those that are MATURE enough to see they should provide there own protection are MORE MATURE than many older people who didn't start carrying until they were 30yrs old or like my grandpa who has a permit but only carries when he goes on a road trip.

 

[rmurfster]

Oleg,

Great poster! I agree that maybe "Carrying" should be "Carrying a firearm", although you'd have to decrease the font.

Guy vs. Girl -- I think a girl is better because it invokes more emotional appeal.

Similar picture of 17-year-old boy.
"At 17, he can be compelled to carry a gun to defend you.
But he can't choose to carry a gun to defend himself."

Change to 18 (don't you have to be 18 to serve in the military?) and remove "compelled to" and I think it would be a great poster.

Since the age requirements are state-by-state, the only blanket answer would be a federal law.

I hate the thought of another federal law, even if it is on our side. Remove all age restrictions. Do age restrictions prevent 16yr old gang members from shooting each other? As we are fond of saying, "Gun control only restricts the law abiding".

 

[rmurfster]

OT - After reading several posts about states that allow CHL at 18, it made me think if it would be legal for my 19yr old daughter to get one of those in a state that has reciprocity with my state?

 

[RealGun]

So, can someone please tell me how these laws, that were nothing but attempts to deny my rights to access a handgun, has made anyone else safer. - Jiggz

You have to be "of age" to actually have certain rights. Waiting to be old enough to drive, old enough to drink, old enough to vote, old enough to make my own decisions, old enough to sign contracts, etc. all frustrated me. We don't necessarily like "facts of life", and they aren't necessarily justified. However, they are not without foundation when viewed from an adult perspective. Like anything else, how do you approve some and not others and call it justice, right, or fair?

 

[Jiggz]

Yeah but where in the Bill of Rights does it say we have the right to drink alcohol , smoke or own and drive cars? I'm not saying that we don't, but that there is no specific right to. There is a specific right to firearms. So how can it be reasonably infringed. Like I said before, it's the same argument the anti's use against us. I would like to see more adults support 18-20 year olds right to carry. We are all in this boat together.

 

[Eleven Mike]

Once again, how is disarming 18-21 year olds anything but age discrimination? It sounds like the same argument the anti's use to deny over 21 people. We are all just SOOOOOO IMMATURE that we can't be trusted

OF COURSE IT'S AGE DISCRIMINATION. But discrimination is often a good thing.

We ALL know that criminals will carry illegally anyway so why disarm me?

Good point.

 

[Joe Demko]

I wouldn't lean on the Constitution too hard on this one. We spend an enormous amount of time, energy, and money on trying to get it accepted that it means "adults" can bear arms.
Further, the authors of the Consitution lived in a time when reaching the age of majority was a big deal. Until the age of majority, you had damn few rights and were essentially your father's "property." There're age limits on all kinds of things in this country, and there always have been. Right now, you're all fired up about it because you are on the wrong side of an age limit for something you desperately want to do. If we go to a ricer forum, I bet we can find a bunch of kids 12-15 whining that they, personally, are more than mature enough to drive and it is so unfair that a learner's permit has an age limit of 16.
On the military thing, anybody who has actually been in the military will tell you that they, if anything, make it more difficult to do gun stuff_outside of EXACTLY what and when they want_than for a civilian 18 year old. When you sign up, they don't hand you an M-4 and a crate of ammo.

 

[Eleven Mike]

On the military thing, anybody who has actually been in the military will tell you that they, if anything, make it more difficult to do gun stuff_outside of EXACTLY what and when they want_than for a civilian 18 year old. When you sign up, they don't hand you an M-4 and a crate of ammo.

True. You're given ammo when you approach the firing line. You're told when to load up. You're told when to fire.

As infantry, we occasionally had live fire exercises, but these were also regulated for safety. When in a hostile environment, the 18-year-old is not left to his own judgment, he is under the command and control of others, almost all of whom are 21 or older. This is far removed from the 18 or 20-year-old out on his own.


Again, I'm not saying 18-year-olds shouldn't pack heat. I'm only saying the comparison is weak.

 

[Geronimo45]

"What makes you think all these IMMATURE 18-21 year olds are going to get a permit and carry legally if they had the option."
Indeed.
There was a lot of debate when 18-year-olds were given the vote. It was thought that all these immature loons would vote en masse, and plunge the country into chaos.
Election time came around. A handful of folks less than 21 showed up. Not many. They still don't show up in large numbers.
The trouble it takes to go vote is much less than the trouble to get a CC permit. If the folks in question are too lazy/ambivalent to vote, why would they be expected to jump at the chance of getting a CC permit?

 

[ingram]

Some of the arguments on here I am seeing are classic anti bull ** ** that if the other side used to refer to you, you would be absolutely irate over.... ridiculous......

 

[Chad]

I've been torn on this one.

While my youngest daughter, now 18, I considered mature and responsible enough at 15 that I gave her my .380 Bersa for protection when she was home alone...my wife is a high school teacher and I have seen many high school seniors that I wouldn't want to see have access to a gun.

But as I thought more about it I realized that I was thinking and acting just like the anti-gun advocates.
I was using my perspective and my criteria to determine someone elses right to self defense.

I don't have the right to do that.

I don't know the answer to this...there has to be a line somewhere, but how do we judge, and who does the judging?

At least it taught me to make sure where my own ideas and preconceptions are coming from.

 

[Chad]

And ingram...

Some of the arguments on here I am seeing are classic anti bull ** ** that if the other side used to refer to you, you would be absolutely irate over.... ridiculous......

You are right, but before you think too harshly of the people making those arguments, consider what I posted above.
We are working this out as we go along...it's a learning process.

 

[Albatross]

Civilian,

You are completely correct that it does not matter to me what the law says. I care little about what the rulers say I can and can’t do.

I don’t and won’t ask permission from anyone for my inalienable right to self-defense.

Your post alone reaffirms my opinion that people worship “what the law says” far too much.

/The Constitution is good enough for me.
//You don't go to federal prison for misdemeanors anyway.