Woman Kills Elephant with a Bow!

Ahhh, c'mon, kingpin. That's reaching out way too far, for no more than appeared to be intended by fivepaknh. Let's don't get into that sort of twisting of meanings. I see enough of that in the Legal Forum.

I'm all for hunting for food but this is f*cked up.

Let's don't get into that sort of twisting of meanings.

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Twisting of meanings?

So when someone says this:

As long as it was a legal hunt then who cares?

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They don't really mean "as long as it was legal to hunt, who cares [how it dies?]"?

I agree with you that we should try not to take each other's words out of context and/or misundertand them, but how else is one to interpret this particular statement?

one of the comments clearly shows the hate of an anti

Maybe someone should shoot her and leave her to die overnight.

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That is the kind of thing that ticks me off. They can't even disagree with civility. How stupid.

It is an animal, lets not starting about killing people for killing animals.

Not to mention the writer of the article is so bias he has discredited himself, I have no reason to believe the info about the hunt presented in the article. People DO lie in order to benefit there agenda. What kind of news network or whatever would allow the kind of comment quoted above to remain on their site, they have NO credibility with me.

As for now, until I would have the facts from her or an unbiased associate, she has my full support, respect, admiration, and a good ol' pat on the back. Now lets hope she doesn't have to use a weapon on a crazy, stalking anti.

After reading some of these threds hear are my thoughts. Im a bow hunter as well as a gun hunter. I pratice year round. with bow and rifle. I grew up hunting and have taken severial animals with eather one. Most people who shoot a bow are far better shots with them than alot of people are with a gun. I myself have put 3 arrows inside a silver doller at 50 yards. and that was back in the mid 80's to present. as far as taking a elephant your talking about a bow with atleast 80 to 90lbs of pull. Fred Bear has taken every large game animal in noth america with a recurve. Chuck Adams has with a recurve and compound and is curretly one of the few to have a grad slam. I have taken deer that have run 20 yards and some that have run a 500 it depends on the deer and shot placement with gun or bow.Will i ever take a elephant with a gun or bow probably not but that is one heck of a accoplishment. did the elephant die humanly probabley. Nobody would go on a hunt like that unprepaird they would have the best posible equpment. and the gides in Africa are the best ive ever seen (on tv)they have forgot more about hunting than the comman man will ever know.
These are my thoughts. she deservs a big pat on the back;

After briefing through this article. I don't see what's wrong. She shot an elephant "near dark". It took off. You're supposed to wait an hour before tracking it down. Tracking at night is pretty hard, much more when lions are about. Would you track down an animal at night in the African Safari? I figure best thing to do would be to come back the next day.

"Do a google search of her name and you will see some of the really nasty threatening stuff that is out there about her. Funny how most of it is from the other side of the pond!"

Not really, if you think it through. This sort of story will always bring out the nutters - regardless of which side of the pond you live. The salient point is that the story was plastered all over the UK media. Obviously that'll mainly reach British nutters. If the story had been plastered all over the US media then you'd have the same sort of comments from American nutters.

I noticed that, presumably because she is of Dutch descent, her story didn't play too well in the Netherlands either.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/reiskrant/3867920/__Toeriste_schiet_olifant_dood__.html

If she took the animal legally, then there is nothing wrong. The article is clearly a piece of anti-hunting propaganda. This is a hunting forum and anti-hunting propaganda shouldn't be posted here.

If I shot an elephant just before dark, I sure wouldn't follow it in the middle of Africa at night armed with a bow. Neither would you. As for wasting the meat, usually in instances where the animal is too large to be shipped back to America, UK, etc. the meat is donated to the local village.

Some really good reading:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=189864

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=288378

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=221076

Dark Skies, I'm fairly certain that you now realize that your assumption on page 1, that the meat is not eaten, is 1000% incorrect. It most certainly is all utilized by thankful, hungry villagers.

But then I suppose the next argument about how wrong that it is will be that hunters must be making the villagers lazy and dependent or something by providing food for them

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Yep, the anti-hunting ninnies are always gonna make up some nonsensical BS, and then go buy their meat at the store, which comes solely from animals which died of old age, so no one had to kill them.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow :
"Dark Skies, I'm fairly certain that you now realize that your assumption on page 1, that the meat is not eaten, is 1000% incorrect."

1000% incorrect? Don't you feel that a little harsh for a first time offence?

OK, sorry, 99% incorrect.

Does anyone know how I can translate that Dutch website? Is that in Dutch, Belgian, what language? I'm a dunce on that stuff.

First of all, our ancestors make many a meal out of Mammoths. They used the atlatl, a stick with a pointed rock on the end of it, thrown with a spear thrower device. Google it. They'd stab it, get the heck outta the way, and wait til he fell. They weren't stupid enough to try to finish off a wounded animal at close range that outweighs a Suburban. That's how they survived to procreate. Many a bison was run off a cliff to be wounded at the bottom and suffer until he could be approached. Hey, it was a successful strategy. It fed the tribe. Had our ancestors had a .600 nitro express double rifle, I'm sure they'd have made good use of it. They were just as smart as you are, believe it or not. They just didn't have the benefit of several thousand years of metals and weapons development.

Second of all, "dumb animals?" I think I'd be the dumb animal to get 12 yards from a friggin' elephant! Ballsy woman there, a bit stupid if you ask me. Our ancestors hunted in packs, gave 'em half a chance to survive to mate. They'd not live long if that was their primary strategy, get 12 yards from a mammoth and toss one spear at it.

I'd like to taste elephant meat, but elephants are highly regulated animals and it takes a LOT of money and luck to draw a permit to take one. But, being regulated, that's why they're still around. Do away with hunting them and you do away with the need to manage them or the money to manage them.

It's a typical UK editorial piece disguised as hard news and typical responses from the moronic, clueless readers. Does anyone, but me remember when the PETA types were on a crusade to end bow hunting? They claimed that the animals suffered for hours after being shot, that at least they died instantly after being shot with a rifle. They watch a lot of TV shows and old westerns and believe 'em, I guess. Cowboy gets hit with an arrow, he bites on a bullet, breaks the arrow off and pulls it out and lives on in pain. Indian shot with a .44-40 dies before he falls off the horse.

Anybody notice the guns on that bowhunter? The article is right, this chick was definitely working out in preparation for this hunt.

Shooting an elephant for sport on a bet that nobody else had done it yet isn't really my cup of tea, but as long as she did it legally and ethically (which it sounds like she did) I'm not going to salt her for it.

If you had read the article, you'd know that she made the shot right before dark. Leaving animal to expire overnight in that circumstance is the right thing to do in my book. The animal is far more likely to be recovered in the morning if you just leave it alone, than it is if you blunder after it in the dark, scaring it up to run further without leaving a blood trail.

"Dumb" as applied to animals, means the inability to speak.

Think about how we refer to one group of handicapped as "Deaf and dumb". Nada to do with intelligence.

kingpin, until folks prove obviously to be otherwise, we begin here with the assumption that the hunters who frequent this forum are ethical.

Since this is the Internet, and there are no facial expressions nor is there any body language to assist in communication, cutting slack is always the best way to interpret whatever is written.

I reckon that woman has some arms on her cause I reckon that bow has to draw 80 or 100 lbs I'd think. Okay, it's a compound, but still! Now, I WOULD be impressed if she'd shot that thing with a long bow. I'd like to know some story details, like draw weight of the bow and such.

MCgunner
"It's a typical UK editorial piece disguised as hard news and typical responses from the moronic."

I'm pretty sure this isn't a typical UK editorial per se. It's a filler piece written by a freelancer to one of the central news agencies that has been picked up by one of the sensationalist English newspapers on a slow news week and chopped and changed to get a reaction. Don't tell me you don't get exactly the same kind of stuff from the same kind of newspapers in the US. My wife is American so I regularly visit the States - I've seen the same kind of shock, horror, probe fluff in your lesser papers.
Citing the Daily Mail with a straight face just doesn't happen here - nuff said.

Dr Tad. Re translation
It's only a filler piece and is actually shorter than it looks due to the Dutch language having a vocabulary only marginally shorter than Welsh. The gist of the translation is:


AMSTERDAM -- American Teressa Groenewald-Hagerman (39) on safari in Africa with an elephant shot dead with a bow and arrow. She has proudly placed the photos of her prey on the Internet. The senseless slaughter is the result of a bet.

Under the Web name Prohuntress Mrs Green Ewald boasts that the animal was in a group of 37.
"I knelt down at a distance of 12 yards and shot the arrow out." The American practised for a year with a PSE X Force crossbow to carry out her act, after a male friend had challenged her.

Another internet blogger says that the elephant stumbled for 500 yards before it fell.

Will Travers of the Born Free Foundation was shocked by the killing: "Why would anyone make such a bet ? She needs therapy. It is really sick. "
Recent studies demonstrate that elephants mourn for lost members of the group.
Hunting elephants unfortunately is still not banned in some parts of Africa. There are even those that organize hunting trips specifically to do so.

Saw a hunting movie, very long ago. A big elephant was shot in the heart/lung area with a 100 pound bow. Broad head of some kind, as I recall. The bull ran for a mile and dropped dead.

"Another internet blogger says that the elephant stumbled for 500 yards before it fell."

And

"A big elephant was shot in the heart/lung area with a 100 pound bow. Broad head of some kind, as I recall. The bull ran for a mile and dropped dead."

Stipulating accuracy as to the facts in these comments: Nothing unusual happened.

The critics DO realize that this is how humans hunted for the 10,000 years of our history which preceded the 20'th century?

Early hunter-gatherers used to run an entire herd off of a cliff just to eat one or two animals. Do you think they lost any sleep over it? No they didn't. I'm not loosing any sleep over an elephant shot with a bow.