Woman Kills Elephant with a Bow!

[testar77]

I am not sure if this was already posted before, but I just saw this and thought I would pass it on!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...hant-downed-bow-arrow-left-die-overnight.html

Make sure and read some of the comments

 

[natman]

So wrong on so many levels. It went 500 yards. It took all night to die. I have no problem with killing game animals, but the object of hunting should be to make the shot itself as UNCHALLENGING as possible, not the other way around. DRT should be the goal.

 

[EmGeeGeorge]

i dunno... this seems like the grown up equivalent of shooting a raccoon to death with a spring powered pellet gun, just "to see if (i) could"... kinda gross and purposeless...

 

[testar77]

Well she couldn't have gotten any closer! In fact I must be a friggin weenie cuz she got A LOT closer than I would EVER think about. Course I would never try and kill an elephant with a bow though either.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Did I step into the twilight zone with the last two posts? Animals often go a long ways when shot with a bow. It happens all the time on every continent. And the story IMPLIES that it "took all night to die" but offers no proof of that. For all we know, it went 500 yards in about 5 minutes, and then dropped dead as a doornail.

Even someone here took the *implication* that it took all night to die, and repeated it as FACT. All the article says is that she left it overnight to make sure it was dead. Not a bad idea, even if while looking at it, you're 99.9% sure it's already dead. And nowhere does it state that it was still breathing when she left it. Presumably, she's an ethical enough hunter to give it a second or third shot through the heart while it is lying there, if that had been the case. I'll give HER, the hunter, the benefit of the doubt of facts, not some trash online anti-hunter rag. Chances are it was stone cold dead when she left it, but she wasn't going to take any chances.

Critical thinking, folks.

Believe me, a bow is plenty deadly. Shooting an elephant with a bow, which can penetrate far better than even your biggest nitrogibbs round, is way way more deadly proportionally than trying to kill a raccoon with a puny pellet gun. It's not a fair comparison, for those that know how deadly a bow is in skilled hands with a razor sharp broadhead. Howard Hill killed an elephant with a long bow in the 20s or 30s IIRC. Albeit a 100 lb longbow. Since she worked out for 4 years, presumably she had a plenty powerful enough bow (obviously did the job), and knew the anatomy extremely well (obviously did the job).

Funny how the article says that the elephant had no chance. That's laughably untrue. If you went to Vegas bookmakers and told them you're sending in a woman on the ground with a bow with 37 sets of elephant eyes, ears, & nostrils, which one would come dead, her or one of the elephants, they'd give 3 to 1 odds in favor of the elephant living and her dying. I'd say the elephants had the far better chance to kill her, even if she was backed up by a PH with double rifle.

 

[JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone]

Testar77, I seem to remember one wounded snarling Racoon neither of us wanted to get much closer too!

Fact is, dangerous game is often left to parish for hours after the shot. Did it take all night to die? We'll never know. And yes, some animals should not be killed with under powered means. I believe in a quick humane death if I am going to kill something. No suffering. (Except sex offenders) The artical is written from a very biased point of view and doesn't tell the whole story.

That Elephant meat probably fed hundreds of villagers! And the hunt, paid for by sponsors brought a healthy sum of money into the impoverished country. The hunt appears to have been legal, and most of the hunts on Elephant are targeting animals that have damaged crops or personal property.

I see no issue with this. She's a hunter. She's got Ko-ho-nay's that ride with the camera man!

-Steve

 

[testar77]

Dr. Tad

I was not saying anything negative about what she did, I was simply stating that I don't have the BALLS to do it!! I am rather impressed myself!

 

[ArmedBear]

Did she have an arrow, or just a bow?

 

[Dark Skies]

Killing dumb animals for the fun of it is kind of off-putting to me. I'd have thought elephant flesh would be too tough to be edible for humans. If it can't be eaten then it's just killing for killing's sake.

 

[AKElroy]

Even someone here took the *implication* that it took all night to die, and repeated it as FACT. All the article says is that she left it overnight to make sure it was dead. Not a bad idea, even if while looking at it, you're 99.9% sure it's already dead. And nowhere does it state that it was still breathing when she left it. Presumably, she's an ethical enough hunter to give it a second or third shot through the heart while it is lying there, if that had been the case. I'll give HER, the hunter, the benefit of the doubt of facts, not some trash online anti-hunter rag. Chances are it was stone cold dead when she left it, but she wasn't going to take any chances.

Look, I have been hunting all my life. First rule is to take the quarry as cleanly as possible, and to be quick with a mercy shot if needed. I agree that we should not be convicting without the facts, so I take your point. However, if that part of the story is actually true, then this was an unethical act. Denying a mercy shot just to set a record would violate everything I was ever taught about hunting.

 

[rr2241tx]

All I can say is that if we had any wooly mammoths left in Texas, there'd be a season on them and a month of bow season ahead of it.

AFAIK, every safari animal is eaten by the local villagers. The paying hunter and his party usually get one meal, the hide and horns.

If using weapons for securing a meal bothers you, you definitely are reading the wrong message board. Try MyLittlePony.uk instead.

 

[kingpin008]

I have to agree - if you're not sure it's really dead, make sure. I'm not a bowhunter and I'm also not a biologist, but I'd imagine that an animal that huge wasn't killed outright by one single arrow, no matter how gnarly the tip and how powerful the bow shot was.

IMHO, leaving and coming back the next day is cruel and cowardly. Poor example of ethical and reasonable hunting practices.

 

[kingpin008]

If using weapons for securing a meal bothers you, you definitely are reading the wrong message board. Try MyLittlePony.uk instead.

Way to totally miss the point.

I don't think anyone here has a problem with using a weapon to hunt an animal, whether it's for sport or food - the issue is the ethics of leaving an animal that is very possibly still alive to lay there bleeding and in pain rather than take the few minutes and deliver a final killing blow to end it's suffering.

If you have a problem with that, I humbly suggest that it might be you that is on the wrong forum.

 

[SHOOT1SAM]

Dark Skies: Killing dumb animals for the fun of it is kind of off-putting to me. I'd have thought elephant flesh would be too tough to be edible for humans. If it can't be eaten then it's just killing for killing's sake.

rr2241tx...........AFAIK, every safari animal is eaten by the local villagers. The paying hunter and his party usually get one meal, the hide and horns.

If using weapons for securing a meal bothers you, you definitely are reading the wrong message board. Try MyLittlePony.uk instead.

kingpin008: Quote:
If using weapons for securing a meal bothers you, you definitely are reading the wrong message board. Try MyLittlePony.uk instead.

Way to totally miss the point.

I don't think anyone here has a problem with using a weapon to hunt an animal, whether it's for sport or food - the issue is the ethics of leaving an animal that is very possibly still alive to lay there bleeding and in pain rather than take the few minutes and deliver a final killing blow to end it's suffering.

If you have a problem with that, I humbly suggest that it might be you that is on the wrong forum.

kingpin008,

I'm not speaking for rr2241tx, but I read it that he was responding to Dark Skies.

Sam

 

[Dark Skies]

"I'm not speaking for rr2241tx, but I read it that he was responding to Dark Skies."

And he still missed the point. If he read my post properly he'd see I have no problem with killing for food.

In point of fact I regularly shoot rabbits for food. I also shoot rats because they're vermin. I got the impression he just needed an opening to stick his MyLittlePony.UK jibe in. And that's OK - not everyone likes the English.

 

[SHOOT1SAM]

Dark Skies,

Didn't notice you are from the UK, so I didn't quite get the jist of the jibe.

I'm not picking a fight with you or anyone. I read the reply as if rr2241tx assumed you didn't know the locals ate the meat (and I kind of got that impression myself). Then again, maybe I missed all the points!

Sam

 

[2RCO]

When I hunt I follow 3 Rules

1.Kill it as quickly and painlessly as possible.
2.Don't kill it unless you are going to eat it or it's a pest.
3. Don't hunt with anyone else that doesn't follow 1 & 2.

 

[dcoop]

I love the comments from the British Subjects. Typical bleeding heart liberals enjoying the government cheese

 

[Art Eatman]

There is one reason for why I try to avoid being judgemental about other folks' styles of hunting: Too many different ways, too many different hunting cultures.

Look how many posts here are hollering about "Get close!" and decry those of us who are willing to take longer shots. Others laud the virtures of bow-hunting as being more "natural". Some love hunting with dogs, others go bonkers against that. Some will only sneaky-snake still hunt, and will gripe about others who sit in stands.

Bleeding out from a broadhead, seems to me, is better than lingering for days from the "natural" poisoned arrows used by some indigenes of Africa, or from falling into a pit having stakes in its bottom.

And, as was pointed out, it's not known if the elephant died quickly or lingered. All we know is that it was found the next morning. Nobody ever had an evening shot on a deer lead to hours of problems? In U.S. deer country, there's nothing out there at night that looks upon you as supper...

 

[kingpin008]

I love the comments from the British Subjects. Typical bleeding heart liberals enjoying the government cheese.

Stay classy, dcoop.

 

[countertop]

And, as was pointed out, it's not known if the elephant died quickly or lingered. All we know is that it was found the next morning. Nobody ever had an evening shot on a deer lead to hours of problems? In U.S. deer country, there's nothing out there at night that looks upon you as supper...

Good points Art.

Here's some other things that bother me.

• The story reports that the hunt took place in 2007. If so, why is it only appearing now.
• And the Daily Mail admits they never spoke to the hunter - they basically put the story together based on what they READ on various message boards and then got a notable anti hunting bigot to comment on the evil of this.
• Finally, how did the paper get copies of the pictures, high quality copies at that - and get ownership of them enough to assert copyright (well Bancraft Media does) if this took place two or three years prior and the paper hasn't spoken to the guides or the hunter

The whole thing just smells funny to me.

 

[wankerjake]

The story reports that the hunt took place in 2007. If so, why is it only appearing now

I watched this happen on tv like a year ago. Not my cup of tea but whatever. She was kind of a weirdo it looked like in the video, she trained for like a year to get that elephant. She was pretty jacked by the time she went hunting. I don't recall the draw weight but it was insane. Probably more than I could pull back. She made a good shot, it turned around and they just went back to camp and came back in the morning. It was dead. I'm on the fence about the morality of it all I guess, but mostly you have to admit it is quite the accomplishment. Everyone kinda has their own opinions on what hunting should be. I guess if she stuck 3 elephants before this one I would be more against the whole affair, and maybe she did, but we don't know. I know she trained harder that 90% of the elk hunters in AZ. Like I said I bet she could have mopped the floor with your average joe by the time the hunt rolled around, she was strong! Anyway that's my two bits.

 

[fivepaknh]

As long as it was a legal hunt then who cares? Many people out there disapprove of use legally owning guns. I’m not going to be quick to judge. I say congrats to her. There are far too few women out there hunting. I think I’m in love with this one. She’s beefy, but looks to be in shape AND she hunts. What’s not to love.

 

[BFE]

It really is not funny how so many people are willing to jump on a bowhunter for bow hunting. If the facts were out then and only then could you folks with negitive comments have any right to bash a true fact, until then get over your off topic thought's. Just because you can think it does not make it a fact or worth any negitive comments, it just shows what you can think about a subject only.

 

[kingpin008]

As long as it was a legal hunt then who cares?

Really?

That's kinda like saying "well, it's legal to hunt this deer, so who cares if I snuck up on it in it's sleep and stabbed it to death with a nail file over the course of two hours instead of dropping it DRT with my rifle. It's dead, right?"

As I said before, I'm not a hunter and I won't profess to have a clue about what most of ya'll do, but I'd imagine that in general, hunting isn't just about killing the animal - it's about doing so with as much respect and reverence for it's life as possible. That means that one of your goals should be to dispatch the animal as quickly as possible, right?