Woman Kills Elephant with a Bow!

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Silly English antis. Do they think Jeffery, Holland & Holland, and Westley Richards are ethnically Japanese or something? or maybe Rudyard Kipling was Tibetan? All English, all elephant shooting all the time. England is a lot like War or Russia. I miss it. Remember England? Spreading joy and happiness via .303 England? Pip pip hurrah for the Empire, now let's go shoot some bloody pagan wogs England? England that practically invented the safari England?

There is still some hope for .uk tho.... Anyone see that tv show on BBC America, The ****ing Fulfords? The patriarch of the family was quite entertaining, down to earth, and what I expect of a real Englishman (see above) Were England populated solely with that type I doubt there would be the draconian gun legislation there is now. I'm entirely for replacing bludgeonings and stabbings with shootings when the shooter is the intended bludgeon- or stabee. Unfortunately I think we'll have War back before England or Russia.... or America for that matter
 
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I don't know why I am so AMAZED at how people are so easily manipulated by the press. I swear, the williness to accept as fact boggles my mind.

Man, consider the source and remember there is almost always more than one side to a story.

I don't bow hunt anything, but that's because I don't have confidence in my ability. I also much prefer to take the meat and not worry about trophy, and when legal, I'll take a 30 yard shot over a feeder vs a 400 yarder out of respect to what my abilities are, coupled with the desire for a quick kill.

Finally, who's never taken a deer at twilight that didn't go back in the morning to retrieve the kill--that doesn't mean it took all night to die. Even on the various hunting shows, it's common to see the hunters restrain themselves from immediately rushing to the downed deer due to the possibility of adreline charging up the deer and have it run on a good bit--its more humane to let them bleed out or die.

Feh, propaganda, I say.


ETA - Side note about the English folks--when I lived there, everyone knew I was a Texan with a big gun collection back in the states. And almost all of them were interested in shooting and almost to a person they asked if I'd take them shooting when they visit (of course--a coworker in the states has 3k acres and we take them out and shoot everything, from handguns to EBRs to a couple Then of 50 BMGs). Then I'd shame 'em about it over a pint and tell them to enjoy their percieved safety, but don't get the illusion that they were free. We'd laugh, but with the multiple gun and knife deaths in the UK while I was there for a year illustrated that safety is never provided through disarming the good guys. Hell, if gun free zones are really safe then prison out to be like candyland.
I like what Art says about not judging other's culture's hunting traditions--that's a good point to keep in mind.
 
Even someone here took the *implication* that it took all night to die, and repeated it as FACT. All the article says is that she left it overnight to make sure it was dead.
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I re-read the article and you are right. It is indeterminate how long the elephant took to die. I should have read it more carefully. Mea culpa.

I don't know how long the elephant took to die, but neither do you and more importantly, neither did the hunter. If it's too dark to confirm the animal is dead, then it was too dark to take the shot.

Now that we've picked that nit, let's go back to the real issue.

If you want to show off by making difficult shots, do it on targets. If you want to hunt game animals, then use an adequate weapon and tactics to insure a clean kill.

For the posters who mentioned cavemen hunting with arrows, if you are hunting to stave off starvation, then kill the game any way you can. A higher standard of ethics applies to sport hunting.
 
Seems to me I remember an old "American Sportsman" show about Fred Bear killing an elephant with a bow. I remember the "shot." At the time I thought "What is he shooting at? Then the elephant moved. That thing was so big it didn't register as an animal. It just looked like a wall. The hunter (Bear) couldn't have been more than a few feet from it.
 
I'd hunt elephant with a bow, just ain't got the cojones to do it nor any sort of death wish. Those prehistoric cromagnon hunted like wolves, in packs, ganged up on 'em. It bettered the odds, and hey, an Atlatl is a more powerful weapon than a bow.

I've heard this suffering thing applied to hunting deer with a bow, too, by PETA. My main concern with leaving game in the field over night would be spoilage of the meat. A rotten elephant carcass can't be rosy. Eeeewww.

I don't know, I'm sort of in a primitive mood lately, been shooting bows and black powder and ignoring my cartridge firearms. Is this a disease or maybe just a passing fad? :D
 
Well, yeah, that and the limited availability of primers or milsurp ammo don't help right now. I'm even wanting a flinter. :rolleyes: I do make my own percussion caps, work great in my C&B revolvers, but hangfire in the hawken. I am thinkin' they'd work great in an inline, though, or if I could just make me some real black powder. Pyrodex is a might hard to ignite, anyway, compared to BP. I'm saving for a couple of sieve screens and am going to start BP production. :D Hey, cast the bullet, make the powder, make the percussion cap. Who the heck cares about ammo shortages???? :D

I watched Nugent on Outdoor Channel using a crossbow last night. Now, I'm starting to think about crossbows!:banghead:
 
Seems like a lot of people here know nothing about bowhunting or hunting dangerous game.....yet they all have an opinion to share. Someone even mentioned that they thought elephant meat was inedible. :rolleyes:

You can not approach dangerous game with a bow after it has been wounded, even if it's mortally wounded and might already be dead. That is a sure way to end up dead yourself. It might have died in 30 seconds or it might have died later. No one knows. An arrow into the heart of an animal is an ethical way to dispatch it. If you don't agree, you probably disagree with hunting altogether. They only leave the elephant as a precaution. I don't know about you guys but I'm not walking up on a wounded elephant with a bow. If you think anything is wrong with that situation you might as well be against bowhunting period.

Rifle hunters can make follow up shots to the skull of the animal where as a bowhunter has a very small area in which to place the arrow. Good luck hitting that small area on a wounded charging elephant.

I watched this hunt on TV about a year or so ago. Great hunt. She used a PSE xforce bow with 90# limbs on it I believe. She had to weight train in order to be able to use the bow. That's a pretty serious bow right there.
 
You can not approach dangerous game with a bow after it has been wounded, even if it's mortally wounded and might already be dead. That is a sure way to end up dead yourself. It might have died in 30 seconds or it might have died later. No one knows. An arrow into the heart of an animal is an ethical way to dispatch it. If you don't agree, you probably disagree with hunting altogether. They only leave the elephant as a precaution. I don't know about you guys but I'm not walking up on a wounded elephant with a bow. If you think anything is wrong with that situation you might as well be against bowhunting period.
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You're right. All of this is an excellent argument against hunting dangerous game with a bow.
 
IMHO, I think this is absolutley sickening! I am by no means a"tree loving hippie libral" but I dont believe in killings animal for sport. I think its immoral.

If you want to hunt for food it syour choice. i believe the animal needs to be consumed some way or another. I choose not too, because frankly I dont have the heart to kill any animal. I prefer to kill paper targets, lol!

To shoot an elephant with a freaking bow is just horrible to me on many different levels!!!
 
You're right. All of this is an excellent argument against hunting dangerous game with a bow.
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A rifle isn't exactly a laser beam of instant death by the way. Many animals who are hit with bullets do not expire instantly. Some of them are also dangerous game that have attacked and killed hunters after being shot even more than once. A bow that can shoot a heavy enough arrow at an fast enough speed is capable of humanely harvesting an elephant (as long as shot placement is correct).

I believe bowhunting is just as humane as hunting with firearms. If the hunter is taking a risk, it is a calculated/educated risk and that is a decision for the hunter to make, not you.

It amazes me to see people on a hunting forum who are only ok with harvesting one or two types of animals with one particular type of weapon. Anything else in their mind isn't acceptable. These are the same hunters that get our hunting rights thrown out the window when it comes time to vote. First it's banning bowhunting, then it's banning crossbows, then it's only one type of rifle...and pretty soon you've voted your way out of the sport entirely.

I think some people should just be honest and admit that their real issue is that they don't believe in hunting elephants at all. If this article was about a hunter who shot a rabid coyote with a bow instead of an elephant, I highly doubt there would be an argument.
 
IMHO, I think this is absolutley sickening! I am by no means a"tree loving hippie libral" but I dont believe in killings animal for sport. I think its immoral.

If you want to hunt for food it syour choice. i believe the animal needs to be consumed some way or another. I choose not too, because frankly I dont have the heart to kill any animal. I prefer to kill paper targets, lol!

To shoot an elephant with a freaking bow is just horrible to me on many different levels!!!
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#1. That animal was consumed.

#2. Why are you on the hunting forum? Why don't you go to PETA's website or something?

Man...some people....:fire:
 
post 63.....I'm against people who shoot paper. They are sick, how many more trees must suffer an die an horriable death to make paper for you to shoot, how many times must you kill something. At least that woman only shot Dumbo once,great shot by the way, but you have people kill trees an then you try an kill them again with mutliple shots...by the way, to the anti's out there, I've shot an killed 14 deer with archery.....now you can go cry.
 
The more people grow up in and live in overpopulated big cities and the east coast concrete jungle, the more we get people with anti attitudes like this. I think it's sick that people can eat a burger and don't have a clue where it came from or how it was made. :rolleyes: And, I'm not talkin' about burger king, I'm talking about the farm, the feed lot, the slaughter house, etc. So, I like to kill and butcher my own meat. Why is that anyone else's business? Why is it their business how I kill it or with what tool? It dies, I eat it.

I wonder, how could a man or woman who can't bring themselves to kill supper possibly kill a man if they are forced to for survival? If you're interested in self defense at all, if you don't think the police will necessarily be there where you need them, then you'd better shoot a lot of paper. You ain't gonna know how to actually shoot a living being, that's for sure.
 
Oh my God....I can't believe anyone would shoot an animal in the evening, and not try to find it at night time...with lions hyenas and god knows what else in the area....

when you shoot something with a bow, it runs... that's the way it is. I'm sure you brave souls wanting to insure the absolute and quick death of an animal that could kill you in an instant would have no issues tracking one into the bush at night time...


what are you guys reading this liberal bull S*** for?

what's next, articles from handgun control?
 
Killing dumb animals for the fun of it is kind of off-putting to me. I'd have thought elephant flesh would be too tough to be edible for humans. If it can't be eaten then it's just killing for killing's sake.
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I know for certain that elephant are smarter than this guy. Early/modern explorers and locals alike in my country have been eating elephant for many many years, its actually very good eating.

Have you ever heard the quote " I do not hunt to kill, I kill in order to of truly hunted"
 
Yeah... I'll definitely listen to Mokwepa about Africa. These antis don't understand what a bull in musth is... or that hippos are not slow, happy, or placid. A lot of americans think the wilderness is a disney movie. Perhaps Mokwepa can explain what happens when you run into baboons unarmed... I'd kill the president of Paraguay with a fork to hang out with this dude for a week. I might know my share... but Mokwepa is undoubtedly the most knowledgeable of us on the subject of Africa, and would likely have to keep the bulk of us from doing something that would invoke natural selection.
 
Have you ever heard the quote " I do not hunt to kill, I kill in order to of truly hunted"
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I believe that the correct quote is -
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted."

The Author was José Ortega y Gasset, in the 1942 book, "Meditations on Hunting" He articulated the relationship between hunter and game. That the potential for a kill validates hunting as a participatory activity - where man acts as the high-level predator - rather than a spectator sport.

..... and yes, heart-shot elephants typically run some distance. The mechanism of death with a heart-shot is bleeding out. The same regardless of whether bow or rifle is used. (Or so those with some experience will tell us.)
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"...killing is not the exclusive purpose of hunting." [p.45]

"To the sportsman the death of the game is not what interests
him; that is not his purpose. What interests him is everything
that he had to do to achieve that death - that is, the
hunt. Therefore what was before only a means to an end is now an
end in itself. Death is essential because without it there is no
authentic hunting: the killing of the animal is the natural end
of the hunt and that goal of hunting itself, not of the
hunter. The hunter seeks this death because it is no less than
the sign of reality for the whole hunting process. To sum up, one
does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in
order to have hunted." [p.96-97]

Jose Ortega y Gasset. 1985. "Meditations on Hunting". Charles
Scribner's Sons, New York. ISBN 0-684-18630-6


Peter
 
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