Me and the schools Here we go again

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I'm fairly confident the type of people who bus their kids to public schools are not the same kind of people who need to hunt to survive. And that would indeed place hunting into the leisure activity category.
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Did you think about that before you typed it? As far as I know, nearly all rural students are picked up by bus, even if the nearest school is in the city (Keep in mind that I, like you, live in Michigan). I personally know many families that live outside of the city, who hunt for food, and who send their children to school via public busing.
 
I will be happy to pull my kids out./quote]

I will be happy to pull my kids out.
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You should, but the problem is that you will still be forced to pay taxes that support the government schools. The answer is the separation of school and state. Until that happens you must stand up for your rights as a parent.
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As a school district employee in TX I know if you start calling and writting the School Board members or Trustees you will get action or you get to vote them out.
 
Some day, really intelligent people will consider how smart it is, or isn't, to provoke citizens known to be armed, who daily have to defend their rights to engage in lawful pursuits with firearms, like self defense, defense of others, hunting, marksmanship disciplines, etc. Why do people have to antagonize others? To antagonize armed people in our stressed out society is not INTELLIGENT to me. I believe these antagonists (in this case, school officials) will someday create the very situation they fear. So far, we have all pretty much acted with restraint when "attacked" by the antigunners. Can we expect this restraint from ALL gun owners forever?
 
Hi Sharps,

Unfortunately, the majority of teachers and admin I've dealt with seem to believe the power of the state makes them above all other concerns including basic decency. To call them on their rudeness or stupidity is not a slight against them but against the state.
 
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SharpsDressedMan:
I point you to Niven's laws by Larry Niven, one of the greatest science fiction writers of our time. Just to give you an idea of how great, the Strategic Defence Initiative (Star Wars project) was put together on his kitchen table one labor day weekend and now exists in a working form.

Many people don't realise how awesome this is, but I grew up under the fear of nuclear war fought with weapons that could not be defended against. The fact that we don't have to threaten to murder the innocents on the other side of the political fence to prevent them from murdering us us awsome beyond belief. Self defence is moral, mass murder is not.

So, on to Nivens Laws:
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1a) Never throw **** at an armed man.
1b) Never stand next to someone who is throwing **** at an armed man.

You wouldn't think anyone would need to be told this. It dates from the Democratic National Convention of 1968.

2) Never fire a laser at a mirror.
3) Mother Nature doesn't care if you're having fun.

You will not be stopped! There are things you can't do because you burn sugar with oxygen, or your bones aren't strong enough, or you're a mammal, or human. Funny chemicals may kill you slow or quick, or ruin your brain ... or prolong your life. You can't fly like an eagle, nor yet like Daedalus, but you can fly. You're the only earthly life-form that can even begin to deal with jet lag. You can cheat. Nature doesn't care, but don't get caught.

4) Giving up freedom for security has begun to look naive.

Even to me. Many of you were ahead of me on this. Three out of four hijacked airplanes destroyed the World Trade Center and a piece of the Pentagon in 2001. How is it possible that those planes were taken using only five perps armed with knives? It was possible because all those hundreds of passengers had been carefully stripped of every possible weapon. We may want to reconsider this approach. It doesn't work in high schools either.
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more here: http://www.larryniven.org/stories/nivens_laws_2002.shtml

I included rule three because I breached it on the weekend. Ouch!

GDCPony: Good luck with your ongoing battle.
 
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everyone forgets that in order to perpetuate the total domination by the state and its organizations and manifestations, they must indoctrinate the next generatation as soon as possibly. Every historian can tell you how well the Hitler Youth indoctrinated 5-10 year old children into complete obedience to the state.
 
I am sorry your kids go to such a crappy school district. I was surprised as heck when my sons teacher asked Keigan to bring a picture of his deer. The teacher hung the picture up on the wall in the class room under student acheivments. Two years ago in the same school district Keigan was called a liar because he told his teacher that he shot competive archery. Guess each teacher has there priorites.
 
You ought to tell your kids to plead the fifth, they certainly can't get in trouble for saying nothing at all. Which is probably the only way you'll be able to not get in trouble if things keep going the way they are.
 
I too take issue with the idea of going hunting right before school and not being able to clean up. A lot can be said about a person and their attitude by how they visually present themselves. Just as one who does not shave should be looked down upon at a job interview, one who does not clean up before school gives the impression they don't take it seriously.

I'm sorry, but hunting is a leisure activity. School is a serious life requirement. There is no doubt where anyone's priorities should be. I take the same attitude towards kids who are allowed to skip school to go hunting. It tells me they care more about having fun themselves than preparing for the future.

I'm sure your school has a bad attitude towards shooting, and that is inexcusable. But you disrespect yourself, your children, and education in general by planning a hunting trip on a school morning, and not giving her the chance to be fully prepared for what is truly important; school, not hunting.
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This is a typical way of thought amongst non-hunters, and it's garbage. Sir, I bet I'm what you would call "successful" and I couldn't disagree any more with this load of BS if I tried. I'm in my 8th year of post high school education and will be working a "white-collar" job in less than two years. But that isn't what makes me successful. I'm successful in my career because of my attitude towards life, not because I've sat my arse in a classroom for most of my 27 years. I go to school to learn about my job, I hunt to learn about life. There's more to be learned about life than what you get in middle school. There's a time for studying and diligence, but when elk season rolls around, hell yes I'm skipping school until I get one down and butchered. Been doing it since I was 12 and I've made the grades year after year after year. And FYI, dragging an elk carcass out of a canyon and into your truck isn't leisure, it's work! Butchering it and living off of it all year long isn't leisure either, it's self-sufficiency, it's sustinence, and it's every bit as important to me as getting a good education and being "successful".

It's posts like yours that makes me proud that I can see past the end of my nose to what's important. Y'all should get out into the coutry once in awhile, out of the city, and get some fresh air. It'll do you good. Get out with the critters and see how things really work, there's more to life than the city and your computer.

P.S. To the OP, I love the picture of your little girl skinning that deer. She understands how things really work, and that is getting more and more rare these days. You're doing things right and I have no doubt your children will turn into fine people. Keep up the good work and thank you for your service.
 
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SharpsDressedMan said:
Some day, really intelligent people will consider how smart it is, or isn't, to provoke citizens known to be armed, who daily have to defend their rights to engage in lawful pursuits with firearms, like self defense, defense of others, hunting, marksmanship disciplines, etc. Why do people have to antagonize others? To antagonize armed people in our stressed out society is not INTELLIGENT to me. I believe these antagonists (in this case, school officials) will someday create the very situation they fear. So far, we have all pretty much acted with restraint when "attacked" by the antigunners. Can we expect this restraint from ALL gun owners forever?
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My own insights on these questions:

Why do people have to antagonize/intimidate each other?

Two reasons: petty jealousy (if I can't have what you have, you can't have it / don't need it either) and fear. Human beings fear what they don't understand, and automatically associate bad things with what they fear. A great example is snakes; generally considered bad, snakes help control the mice and rat populations by eating them, but if you look at human history snakes are considered "bad" because we fear them.


Can we expect this restraint from ALL gun owners forever?

IMHO, I expect that as more people lose their "fear" of firearms they will slowly convert to a true "Pro-2A" viewpoint versus the "Pro-2A when I need to be" attitude that new gun owners have. All this does is bolster our numbers and makes a loud voice even louder when it comes to railing against future legislation that tries to limit what we collectively enjoy doing.
 
SharpsDressedMan said:
To antagonize armed people in our stressed out society is not INTELLIGENT to me. I believe these antagonists (in this case, school officials) will someday create the very situation they fear. So far, we have all pretty much acted with restraint when "attacked" by the antigunners. Can we expect this restraint from ALL gun owners forever?
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Are you talking about antagonizing with arguments using words? Do you think any sane person who believes in the First Amendment as well as the Second Amendment would actually shoot somebody because of an argument? If that were to ever become a common case, then maybe the anti-gunners are right after all, and we're too "stressed-out" a society for even law-abiding citizens to be trusted with firearms. :rolleyes: Of course, there is always the occasional insane person toting guns. I guess that's what you meant, but there's something about your argument that doesn't seem right, as stated.

And by the way, what makes people so stressed out in these days of relatively easy living in comparison to the past? (not this decade compared to the last but the last two compared to the rest) Perhaps information technology is proving to be far more dangerous than weapon technology could ever be.

Officers'Wife said:
Unfortunately, the majority of teachers and admin I've dealt with seem to believe the power of the state makes them above all other concerns including basic decency. To call them on their rudeness or stupidity is not a slight against them but against the state.
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Many teachers definitely have a symbiotic relationship with the state: the state gives them the power to indoctrinate captive, mostly defenseless children, and their indoctrination in turn gives power to the state.

MarineOne said:
My own insights on these questions:

Why do people have to antagonize/intimidate each other?

Two reasons: petty jealousy (if I can't have what you have, you can't have it / don't need it either) and fear. Human beings fear what they don't understand, and automatically associate bad things with what they fear. A great example is snakes; generally considered bad, snakes help control the mice and rat populations by eating them, but if you look at human history snakes are considered "bad" because we fear them.
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I've always said that one of the main differences between pro-gunners and true anti-gunners--not ones who merely fear the unknown and then love shooting after you take them to the range--is how they view and fear other people. As a pro-gunner, obviously, I have a fear of certain types of people who may, as individuals, decide to attack my family for no legitimate reason that we provided. Being able to defend my family using the most effective means is not only a comfort but a responsibility that I cannot, in good conscience, simply shirk. Anti-gunners, on the other hand, view people in a collective sense, and fear what they believe everybody to be capable of, including themselves, if allowed the means. In their view, only the state can prevent gun violence by outlawing guns altogether, save for the police. As for knife attacks and strangling, I guess they don't consider knives and bare hands as inspirational as guns when it comes to murder--I'm not talking about people who let thinking and reason get in the way of their beliefs here.
 
I take serious issue with the gentleman who said anyone who is busing their children to school is living a life luxurious enough to not hunt for food.

That sir, is bull****!

Both sides of my family have long, long history of being dirt poor to the point that they would have to eat.... well, dirt; if they had not hunted and fished for fresh, "organic" meat. I'm talking a wood stove, a rickety one room shack and a hole in the ground out back poor. Yet, a bus still came through even back in fifties in impossibly rural Missouri.

So please, don't calculate another man's wealth based on the school system's bus routes.
 
Yeah, I'm armed and antagonized so much that the next time someone makes me angry about the 2nd Ammendment, I'm going to VOTE. Politicians need to fear me for that.
 
Many people in our world today are forgetting how children have been raised in this country since its founding. Parents teach their children values, morals, and attitudes of right and wrong at home. Then chldren are sent to school to finish what was started at home. Now days you see parents who want the schools to do everything, and we see the results. As a middle school history teacher my students do hear about firearms and the importance they have played in history.

Working in an urban area I deal with many students who look at firearms through the eyes of the latest action movie or music video. I have had students ask who I planned on killing when they saw a firearms catalog sitting on my desk. I have had to explain to them firearms have many uses, not just the killing of people.

Let other people raise your children and you won't know what your results will be. It sounds like you are doing a fine job, and congratulations on the promotion.
 
I'm sorry, but hunting is a leisure activity. School is a serious life requirement.
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No it's not. Learning to read is a serious life requirement, but school is not necessary for that.

Formal schooling is important for the same reason that rent in Manhattan is astronomically high - because enough people buy into the idea that it should be so.

Schooling != education. Real education is readily available outside of schools to anyone who seeks it.
 
Hey OP, I think you're doing a damned fine job of things. Your daughters sound like a group of kids that just about anyone could be proud of.
 
I agree with you up to the bloody hands - for 2 reasons.

1 - Blood COULD be dangerous, and the school would be justfied in their actions based on that. They need to protect other students. It's biohazard.

2 - It weakens the rest of your argument.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck with this.
 
First, she gutted a squirrel not a bison. It is very possible to gut a squirrel without getting more than maybe a spot of blood on you.

I am also a proud resident of the first F- for gun control. My middle son loves everything hunting and talks constantly about it. He has used the words slaughter, harvest and butcher in his kindergarten class. His teacher thinks he is a hoot. She was reading a story about a rabbit and a fox and he commented that the fox would deffinately harvest that rabbit. She loves to hear his hunting stories. If his future teachers have a problem with his hobbies then we will become very well aquainted and they will not enjoy the experience, but so far so good.

I also like the fact that I can carry when I pick my kids up or go to a school play or parent/teacher conference. Teachers can also carry or at least I know of a few that DO carry.
 
Honestly if i had kids (I dont) and that many incidents like that were happening at their school I would start looking for different academic settings... Dont take any crap from the man, or a teacher!!!
 
gdcpony said:
My children need the social interaction it brings or they would be home schooled.
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That's one of the biggest of the big lies told by the government/union education/indoctrination establishment.

Public schools like ours (based on the Prussian model) are artificial social environments that retard, not develop children's social skills (done on purpose to create compliant, obedient citizens, not independent, critical thinkers that don't write in run on sentences :neener: ).

Most home-schooled kids develop better social schools than public educated ones.
 
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Why is it about hunting for substinance? Are we not allowed to pursue activities that are legal and part of our families culture? Or does cultural importance only apply to certain groups?
 
I can't say it enough of how lucky I am for being able to attend a private Christian school. We have a rifle team which I ressurected, and a possible achery team starting. Plus me and my history teacher talk about guns alot. This school is pretty much the opposite of public school.
 
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