Officers'Wife
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Our present culture only gives lip service to self sufficiency, the reality is they are at best critical of it.
Me and the schools Here we go again
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Our present culture only gives lip service to self sufficiency, the reality is they are at best critical of it.
Public schools like ours (based on the Prussian model) are artificial social environments that retard, not develop children's social skills (done on purpose to create compliant, obedient citizens, not independent, critical thinkers that don't write in run on sentences).
Interesting link there, although the writer obviously doesn't know the correct meaning of "beg the question."
And rather than leading the country into neo-Nazism specifically, the intent seems to be to gradually erode American culture and transform us into a nation of multicultural socialists who will one day pledge allegiance to global authorities. Maybe I'm paranoid, but such scary scenarios are all I can come up with to match my observations. What else could explain the type of indoctrination that goes on in American public schools?By the way, I happen to be an immigrant, so my point of view is perhaps still a little bit from the outside looking in, even now, and I don't like what I've been seeing of late. I love the United States and accept its founding principles, traditions, culture (not as defined by the media), and even history as my own in spirit, and I don't quite yet comprehend the true nature of the sinister forces trying to destroy the country from within. Something definitely isn't right about the present US government, and I'm not just talking about the communist who is currently occupying the White House. While it's bad enough that the government doesn't represent and serve its own people, in the larger worldwide view it also doesn't seem to serve the interests of the country as a whole. This is what has led me to believe that if we ever only have one right left to defend, it's clearly spelled out in the Second Amendment. Once our voices have been silenced by law, there is only one other sound we'll need to make.
If you consider yourself American, then in the view of some people, by definition you have no valid culture and may not celebrate or practice it openly--only those who consider themselves resident foreigners have culture that everybody in this country must acknowledge and appreciate.
SSN Vet
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the schools have been the front line of the culture wars for years...
they lean so far left (thanks to the NEA) that they can't think straight
Joe Demko
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The NEA exerts no control over individual teachers, union locals, local school boards, state-level unions, or state boards of education. It is a lobby at the federal level. The Feds have control over certain types of funding, primarily special ed and lunches, as well as some grants. Education is, as it always has been, controlled at the local and state levels. The things you would like to blame on the NEA are the fault of the school board members and state legislators you elected. Or failed to unseat. Or didn't care enough about to vote. Or run for the office yourself.
There's nothing stopping you guys from changing the course of public education, or even abolishing it entirely, since you find it so unsatisfactory. Nothing except that you aren't committed enough to do much of anything except carp it about on a board that isn't even devoted to the topic.
The things you are complaining about are things you could be changing.
There's nothing stopping you guys from changing the course of public education, or even abolishing it entirely, since you find it so unsatisfactory. Nothing except that you aren't committed enough to do much of anything except carp it about on a board that isn't even devoted to the topic.
The things you are complaining about are things you could be changing.
ol' scratch
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Unfortunately, kids don't have the right to uncensored freedom of speech and expression in schools. It is up to the school administrators. Check this out http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=484&invol=260
Teach your child to be a free thinker. You will be able to thwart any attempt to chain her mind. It sounds to me like she is on the right track.
Teach your child to be a free thinker. You will be able to thwart any attempt to chain her mind. It sounds to me like she is on the right track.
Zoidberg523
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At the risk of running into dangerous political waters.... *cough* Obama *cough* socialist *cough*
At any rate, there certainly is cause for concern as far as our educational system is concerned - and great need for a resurgence in the importance of individuality and free thought.
Stories like this make me glad I take an active part in educating youth (through a firearms 4H camp.)
+1 to parents relying on video games, TV and the internet to raise their kids. School should supplement, not replace, any lessons learned at home.
As the eldest child of a primary ed teacher, I get to hear the teacher's point of view quite a bit. Mom isn't very pro-RKBA (but she's gotten better! Only a decade in the making...) but she does a firearm safety day in her classroom. She also complains constantly about idiotic administrators who override her decisions in her own classroom. For example: passing someone who shouldn't.
Obviously, I'm biased. I love my mom. But when I hear her and her colleagues complain about certain issues, it seems like it's the school administration and local school board policies that seem to cause most of the problems.
Then again, taken with a grain of salt, it could just be they're blaming someone else for an issue they have. Not all teachers were created equal in skill or temperament either so you'll run into idiots along with the excellent educators.
This whole thread just makes me really happy I had a vasectomy.
+1 to parents relying on video games, TV and the internet to raise their kids. School should supplement, not replace, any lessons learned at home.
As the eldest child of a primary ed teacher, I get to hear the teacher's point of view quite a bit. Mom isn't very pro-RKBA (but she's gotten better! Only a decade in the making...
) but she does a firearm safety day in her classroom. She also complains constantly about idiotic administrators who override her decisions in her own classroom. For example: passing someone who shouldn't. Obviously, I'm biased. I love my mom. But when I hear her and her colleagues complain about certain issues, it seems like it's the school administration and local school board policies that seem to cause most of the problems.
Then again, taken with a grain of salt, it could just be they're blaming someone else for an issue they have. Not all teachers were created equal in skill or temperament either so you'll run into idiots along with the excellent educators.
This whole thread just makes me really happy I had a vasectomy.
gdcpony
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If they want silent kids, they will be expelling mine. I do not raise submissive children willing to give in to anything.
I have a policy of never telling my kids "because I said so." Sometimes I tell them I'll explain later, but I want them to ask, and feel they deserve to know. It is a policy I wish our government would employ more.
It might not have been the wisest, but as I stated before, it wasn't a deer she gutted. It was very little and she was told she was to go straight to the wash room. She just got intercepted. Funny that if hygene was their REAL concern she would have been told to wash and then go to the office, so I don't buy that reason. As I said, we did it out of pure rage that my girl was being harrassed for such a reason.
Well deer season is in. My oldest daughter is out today. One of my friends and my FIL are taking her out. I have heard nothing from the school yet about her discussing it since I have deployed.
I did have to call one time because a kid punched my younger daughter for not playing with him (boy hitting a girl!!!!!). The third time it happened she struck back with a leg sweep and walked away (witnessed by a teacher). They were going to suspend both of them despite having known of the other times he had hit her. I asked them if he was injured and they said no, but could have been. I simply said then don't let him hit her again and we won't have a problem. They backed off when told that we could see how the courts felt about it. My wife had been planning to call the police on the kid as it was since the school had done nothing. My daughter just took care of it first.
On a side note from that the boy hasn't hit her again for some reason.
writerinmo
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GDCpony, first off let me tell you that you have my 100% support on what you did, are doing and are attempting to do with your children. Having raised three booger-heads of my own and two step-booger-heads, I can sympathize entirely with your concerns and day-to-day problems with the schools. I butted heads several times during my kids' school years and always won, simply because if I felt strongly enough about it to take action, I took it as far as it needed to go to take care of the problem to my satisfaction.
When I had problems with the public school system in California and saw the direction they were headed, I packed up my family and moved to a small farmtown in NE Kansas where I was born and raised. Class size ran very small, small enough that each kid got the individual attention needed. I think my son's graduating class was around 30 kids, lol!
My kids got spanked for breaking the rules, NOT BEAT... there is a big difference, and if you don't know it, you are part of the problem.
They all love shooting, we did a lot of it when they were younger, then got out of it for a number of years when their mother developed an attraction to alcohol that seemed to bring out a number of personalities that I deemed dangerous to allow firearms to be around. After selling off everything I could to pay for the divorce, I just recently started shooting again, and my youngest (daughter) 18 and middle (son) 25 are having a blast, and my daughter just asked about taking the Hunter Safety course so she could go deer hunting with me!
My kids don't do drugs, can hardly get them to have an occasional drink for the older boys, and none of them are criminal. My daughter tutored other kids in high school and earned a scholarship for the local college for doing so, where she is now studying early childhood development. I have no problems in telling them that I am proud of what they have done so far in their lives, which is another thing I think parents need to do more of. Instead of dwelling on the negative drama that goes on in kids lives today, they need to be there day and night with an impartial presence for whatever the kids need to talk to someone about. Imagine my daughter coming to me to talk about her female "problems" as she called them, or when she came to me and admitted that she had messed up and had sex with a boy who then had no more use for her? Sure, I wasn't happy about it, but at least she had the trust that she could come talk to me... something that not many kids have in their parents nowadays it seems.
It just makes her brothers mad that she is a better shot than they are is about it... so now they buy me ammo for all the holidays!
From one retired military to an active one... keep the faith, brother. While I may not support what the government is doing on many of these fronts, I back the soldiers doing their jobs 100%. You've laid the foundation in your kids and that cornerstone will stand the test of time. I'm sure you will come back to kids that are stronger and more confidant, growing in the stability and beliefs that you have instilled in them.
For those people who read this thread and haven't been there, done that... I really have to say maybe you should think a bit more before posting... but that's just one of "great benefits" of a forum, people who don't have a clue can still toss their comments into the pot.
When I had problems with the public school system in California and saw the direction they were headed, I packed up my family and moved to a small farmtown in NE Kansas where I was born and raised. Class size ran very small, small enough that each kid got the individual attention needed. I think my son's graduating class was around 30 kids, lol!
My kids got spanked for breaking the rules, NOT BEAT... there is a big difference, and if you don't know it, you are part of the problem.
They all love shooting, we did a lot of it when they were younger, then got out of it for a number of years when their mother developed an attraction to alcohol that seemed to bring out a number of personalities that I deemed dangerous to allow firearms to be around. After selling off everything I could to pay for the divorce, I just recently started shooting again, and my youngest (daughter) 18 and middle (son) 25 are having a blast, and my daughter just asked about taking the Hunter Safety course so she could go deer hunting with me!
My kids don't do drugs, can hardly get them to have an occasional drink for the older boys, and none of them are criminal. My daughter tutored other kids in high school and earned a scholarship for the local college for doing so, where she is now studying early childhood development. I have no problems in telling them that I am proud of what they have done so far in their lives, which is another thing I think parents need to do more of. Instead of dwelling on the negative drama that goes on in kids lives today, they need to be there day and night with an impartial presence for whatever the kids need to talk to someone about. Imagine my daughter coming to me to talk about her female "problems" as she called them, or when she came to me and admitted that she had messed up and had sex with a boy who then had no more use for her? Sure, I wasn't happy about it, but at least she had the trust that she could come talk to me... something that not many kids have in their parents nowadays it seems.
It just makes her brothers mad that she is a better shot than they are is about it... so now they buy me ammo for all the holidays!
From one retired military to an active one... keep the faith, brother. While I may not support what the government is doing on many of these fronts, I back the soldiers doing their jobs 100%. You've laid the foundation in your kids and that cornerstone will stand the test of time. I'm sure you will come back to kids that are stronger and more confidant, growing in the stability and beliefs that you have instilled in them.
For those people who read this thread and haven't been there, done that... I really have to say maybe you should think a bit more before posting... but that's just one of "great benefits" of a forum, people who don't have a clue can still toss their comments into the pot.
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Civil disobedience is part of the American fabric...used to be, anyway. I support you 110%, and I hope you continue.
I also think the advice on going to the school board (when you return, safely!) is very good.
From retired USN to active USMC, thank you for your service to our Country, against enemies foreign and domestic.
God bless you and yours.
I also think the advice on going to the school board (when you return, safely!) is very good.
From retired USN to active USMC, thank you for your service to our Country, against enemies foreign and domestic.
God bless you and yours.
gatopardo
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I think is ridiculous the level of sensitivity the school system is imposing over our children, I know of cases about kids suspended for a year for a nail clipper, the kid just thought it a good idea to clip his nails in the bus, I mean c'mon.
Messenger Guard
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A few years back my son was required to do a power point project that was themed "overcoming adversity". They wanted something MLKish I'm sure but my family has been indoctrinated with enough of that. I suggested telling the story of "Marsh" Williams, the man behind the short stroke piston system which would become the M1 Carbine. Williams did this while incarcerated. Jimmy Stewart portrays Williams in the film version. His project was picked to go to a county wide exhibit.
kmcintosh78
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GDCPONY, Keep at it.
I too will never raise submissive children. The school is there to teach Reading, writing and arithmetic, that is it. If I wanted a teachers opinion I would ask. If they, or anyone who teaches does not like that, then find a new job.
I will teach my kids morals, ethics, right and wrong.
Schools and teachers stick to the above.
Keep at it. As my kids start school I anticipate the same kind of interactions as well and will report on them.
I too will never raise submissive children. The school is there to teach Reading, writing and arithmetic, that is it. If I wanted a teachers opinion I would ask. If they, or anyone who teaches does not like that, then find a new job.
I will teach my kids morals, ethics, right and wrong.
Schools and teachers stick to the above.
Keep at it. As my kids start school I anticipate the same kind of interactions as well and will report on them.
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Old krow
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This isn't something that exists on the left and not the right. Both sides are very guilty of taking away freedoms and pushing a progressive agenda. It's safe to assume that you have NO friends in politics and that the lesser of 2 evils is still, by definition, evil. If any politician is indeed THE Devil, it is likely a timeshare in Hell. Honestly, when is the last time we voted for someone because we liked them and not because they weren't as bad as the other guy?
I am of the opinion that the entire NCLB Act teaches a child what to think instead of how to think. This opinion also covers my perception on just about anything the Government does. If they did it, it's probably breaking or broken. One could argue that the exception to that rule is war, but everything else is definitely broken.
gdcpony, I think it sucks that you have to be bothered with this, but I applaud your actions. Good luck to you and stay safe.
Joe Demko
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You guys are a whole school year behind. In the time since this thread began, how many of you attended school board meetings? How many of you decided to run for the board? How many of you took the time to study the codes of conduct for your local school district? How many of you took the time to contact your state legislators about your concerns? How many of you supported campaigns for candidates who shared your vision for public education?
Now, how many of you just impotently ranted on internet boards like this one? Boards not dedicated to the topic, but where you could be assured of a lot of pats on the fanny from similarly apathetic (when it comes to meaningful action) people?
You have the educational system you want. You must, because you could change it, but you don't.
Now, how many of you just impotently ranted on internet boards like this one? Boards not dedicated to the topic, but where you could be assured of a lot of pats on the fanny from similarly apathetic (when it comes to meaningful action) people?
You have the educational system you want. You must, because you could change it, but you don't.
Spec ops Grunt
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That sound's like a good way to cut farther down the nail than you wanted to.
"my kids principle is a koolaid drinker. shrine to obama . unions are the best thing that ever happened to america etc.she leaves me alone after i helped my kid do a paper on lincoln and slavery. it was a painful experience for her. other than that she runs a decent school. she does get a lil strained smile when i whistle dixie while i wait to get the kids.".........
I'm sorry but I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!!!
I'm sorry but I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!!!
Waywatcher
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My wife is a teacher at a public school, and based on her college experience with fellow soon-to-be teachers, I am not shocked or surprised.
Disappointing and sad.
Disappointing and sad.
Steve 48
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The schools in Western Kansas sure don't try to teach that kind of crap. Why, because I am there boss.
Spec ops Grunt
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Fixed it for you.
doc2rn
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Nuff said
Your doin good gdcpony, keep 'em active and safe.
I remember going hunting for the first time when I was around 9 yr. old. Later that week at school, I drew a picture of the dear my dad had killed, using lots of red crayon. My picture was placed on the hallway wall right next to all the other pictures the class had drawn.
Things sure have changed a lot.
Things sure have changed a lot.
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