CCW holder alledged to have made a fatal tactical error

if approached by a Policeman...

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As i have yet to see a case where someone disobeyed an officers demands (armed or not) turn out in favor of the "suspect", I would say following their commands is ALWAYS best to first and foremost follow the commands, and definitely if one has a gun n them, to keep their hands completely away from the weapon.

Polygraph time!

Hard to polygraph a dead man.

I liked the cousin's quote in the video

A store clerk saw he had a concealed gun, told him he couldn't have it in the store. He replied, "Sure I can. I have a concealed weapon's permit."

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Then the CCW person in the video says that the dead guy's claims are bogus and that if asked to leave, one must leave.

Let's see, carrying concealed but spotted, asked to leave and refused, destroying merchandise, failed to comply with officers, made furtive movement, got shot and killed for it. No, the CCW holder did much more than make A fatal tactical error.

I don't see where he is a licensed carrier, which is what your subject heading implies. If he was not a permit-holder, then I don't see what the point is; this guy just wasn't wrapped tight, and challenged armed responding officers. People who aren't wrapped tight usually are not tactically sound, either.

Watch the video. Check the other news accounts for the story. There are numerous statements that he had a concealed carry permit including the quote cited above.

Sounds like planned suicide death by police officer. Not a tactical error by a CCW holder.

Sorry with new information, this was premature.

Definitely sounds hinky.

Concealed means concealed. But let's say he took reasonable precautions to conceal his firearm and someone was simply observant. When asked by Costco, he should have left. Failing to do so is tresspassing.

Destroying property also goes without saying.

When confronted by police, his family members say he reaches to lift his shirt and reveal his weapon. With three police members there asking him about his firearm, his best bet is to keep his hands as far from his weapon as possible and inform them of its location -- and of the second weapon. The last thing you ever want is to reach in the direction of a firearm in front of a cop.

Whatever other mistakes and transgressions he may or may not have made, the most egregious by far is reaching for a gun in front of three cops responding to a call about an armed man making a disturbance. I agree that this is the tactic that got him blown up.

The guy with the pipe came off as responsible on film, good on the news for showing the other side of the coin in this case.

From what I just read the "Victim" must have lost his mind completely. CCW holder or not these are not the actions of a rational person! This man was acting in a way that clearly could not end in a positive way. The person was certifiable, and needed either a fresh hole in his head or a rubber room!

Could be he was following the nervous ninnies commands and got shot for it.
Can't wait to see how this plays out.

There does seem to be some conflicting eye-wittness testimony.

Friends and bystanders saying he 'lifted his shirt'.

Cops saying he 'drew his weapon and would not obey orders to put the weapon down'.

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Friends say he was an easy going guy as well, but he was apparently openly confrontational and in the wrong with the Costco employee about being able to carry in Costco after he was told he could not.

I am sure he "was a nice boy." People killed by the cops or in the middle of robberies they are committing often are described that way by friends.

I have to wonder how many friends and bystanders were close by given the store was being evacuated and most of the folks were out of the store.

Lots more is coming out about this. The witnesses at the scene are telling a different story than the police.

"The witnesses differed in their recollection of what one of the officers said.

Amesbury heard, "I told you to stop. Stop."

Two witnesses interviewed Sunday heard, "Drop it."

A fourth witness, interviewed Saturday, heard, "Get down," "Put it down," or "Get out of the way."

A second anonymous witness said Sunday he saw Scott pull up his shirt and turn toward the shouting officer. Then he saw the man get shot, drop to his knees and fall face-first in front of the entrance.

"There wasn't even time for someone to react," the second witness said. "The guy didn't pull a gun. There was no gun in his hand, there was no gun on the ground."

The second witness said he was interviewed by homicide detectives and gave them the same account.

The first anonymous witness also didn't see Scott make a threat.

"I certainly did not see the guy do anything with a gun that would threaten anybody," the first witness said Sunday. "It appeared to me that if he had guns on him, that they were literally in his pocket or in his waist."

The first witness also was interviewed by homicide detectives about the shooting.

Amesbury said he did not see the man get shot, but, "When I go around the corner, I see this guy laid out. I didn't see a gun." Amesbury's view of the shooting was blocked by stone pillars. He was not interviewed by police.

Before the shooting, Scott was walking with a woman that three witnesses thought was his girlfriend. They said she became distraught after the shooting. The incident also left the witnesses shaken.

It's just incredible "with all these people around that Metro would provoke something there," the second witness said. "I don't want to second-guess the police, but wouldn't it have been better to confront him out at his car?"

After the shooting, some people in the crowd panicked. An elderly woman was knocked down and cut her elbow in the chaos, the second witness said.

Only Scott was struck by gunfire .

Police said Scott had two handguns on him when he was shot. Goodman said Scott had a concealed-weapons permit.

Pusateri said his friend was a "safety freak" around guns. He said that "absolutely not in a million years" would Scott be careless with them around others.

Scott graduated from West Point, in New York, in 1994 and was stationed for a time at Fort Hood, Texas, as a tank platoon leader. In 2003, he graduated from Duke University in North Carolina with a master's degree in business administration."

From what I can gather he was with his girlfriend. They began evacuating the store as there was a customer in the store with a gun. There is no sign saying no guns at the Costco and concealed carry is permitted in Nevada with the proper license which the poor guy apparently had.

The man and his girlfriend were exiting with everyone else as they said there was a bomb scare. The Costco employees decretely pointed out our victim to a police officer as he passed the front entrance. Officers outside already had their weapons drawn. The officer following him who had had him pointed out tapped him on the shoulder.

He apparently raised his shirt to uncover the gun when the police began firing what was reported as 6 or 7 shots.

Very unfortunate.

Philip's synopsis brings many new details to a clearer light. It raises the possibility that the subject may have actually been trying only to inform the LEO of his carry status, though obviously not in a sound and prudent manner. Anything he was saying simultaneously was not accurately recorded; the discrepancies in the statements of the witnesses as to what they heard cannot be ignored.
Indeed this is a tragedy, and it goes to show that even the screened license-holder is not immune to lapses in judgment, or in mental capacity.

all the costco's i've been to were posted no gun whats nevada law like about signs etc?

Not that i am friend of overly trigger happy cops with tasers.
but in this situation it would have been better thant tapping him
on the shoulder and then put holes in him. .... #fail

I'm not weighing in on this, because we really don't have a useful set of facts to evaluate. Unless it was an intentional "suicide by cop" it seems clear that someone made an error. I don't see any evidence to suggest that this was intentional.
Video certainly would be helpful.

Sounds like he was asking to die. Everyone knows what happens when you pull a gun on cops
Many people 'seem' ok on the outside but really have troubled minds.

Glad nobody else was hurt

asking to die

I dont understand how someone is "asking to die" when exercising his 2a rights. Iff you go to KSCCW forums the complete story is there. The gentleman in question was actually standing the customer service line tryig to make a return when an employee notice the guy was packing.. security was called, and they asked the guy toleave,, when he refused, informing the security officers that he has CCW, security called police, thats when the fit hit the shan. according to the guys BROTHER, no guns where ever displayed, as it seems while trying to comply wiht the officers request to "drop it" he lifted his shirt to remove his weapon. and they started shooting