Please educate me on how trigger safeties (Glock style) work.

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I'm new to handling guns and was handling a few today at a local gun shop, namely the Glock 17, S&W M&P 40, Ruger SR9, and a Glock 21.

How do Glock style trigger safeties work as opposed to thumb safeties?

Since I'm new to guns, I really have leaned towards thumb safeties that blocked any trigger action. However, since handling these guns today I really wondered about these types of trigger safeties and how they work, and what they do. If anyone can please shed some light on this for me, i'd greatly appreciate it!
 
Simple. You don't touch the trigger until you are ready to fire. The internal safeties work in sequence, and keep the gun from firing until YOU pull the trigger.
 
You are opening a can of worms but there are several threads on THR discussing the merits or lack of the Glocks safety features.

There is a mechanical trigger safety that can be purchased for around thirty dollars and seems to work well. You can do a basic Google search for them.

Youtube has some videos that discuss various attributes both pro and con.
 
The trigger safety is to prevent inadvertent firing if dropped on the weapons rear with significant force. It works by having a lighter blade or segment that will prevent the heavier trigger from being depressed by inertia.
 
In it's extended position...above the face of the trigger...it has a ledge that extends out the back of the trigger in such a way as the prevent the reward movement of the trigger.

When the lever is depressed flush with the face of the trigger, the ledge is retracted within the arc of the trigger pivot and frees the trigger to move reward
 
Downr@nge, the "trigger safety" feature on most guns is simply a mechanical device that won't allow the main body of the trigger to move to the "bang" position unless engaged.
It is more of a drop safety than a "let you fiddle with the gun and call it 'safe' " safety. In the case of a gun that has no manual safety, a quality holster performs the "no shooty until intended" function nicely.

The big picture question that someone else using the search function might be wondering about is why we call a trigger interlock and a manually engaged lever a "safety". Honestly they are different concepts and calling them both "safeties" is confusing. I generally refer to devices as "manual safeties" or "passive safeties" when the distinction matters.
"Passive" being safeties that will be disengaged by a deliberate firing
Examples; grip safeties, trigger safeties, the features that keeps a gun from firing out of battery, revolver transfer bars, features that prevent a dropped gun from firing.
"Manual" being devices that require active disengagement
Examples; safety levers (of course), holsters, internal keys (not a fan of them, but they qualify), magazine disconnects (also not a fan, and I'd never trust such a device), external locking devices, trigger plugs, or chamber flags

Some guns require manual safety devices more than others, the prime example is a light single action gun such as an M1911 type pistol
Most guns really don't need a manual safety, double-action revolvers or autos will rarely have one, the XD platform has a pretty good grip safety, single-action revolvers rarely cock themselves and can't fire hammer-down (modern) or in any condition but the trigger being pulled.

Don't discount a gun without a safety lever, no hardware device can replace safe gun handling practices and your best safety is keeping your brain engaged and following the 4 rules. Modern guns don't "just go off" even if abused, and a mechanical failure that could cause such an accident would often not be prevented by an external lever.
 
I have gotten over the "Glocks don't have an external safety" thing. I love my G27. I have adopted an additional gun safety rule...call it "Rule #5"... Keep the gun holstered until ready to fire. The holster acts as additional trigger safety.

Think of a Glock as revolver with 13 rounds in the "cylinder". If you don't want it to go bang...keep the finger off the trigger.
 
Side note, being new to guns, but yourself a gunbelt. I did a review of 2, Ill post it here in a minute.

I reccomend the 5 stitch wilderness belt, goes with everything.
But a good gunbelt makes carrying more comfortable and improves the performance of the holster.
 
gbran said:
I treat my Glocks as revolvers with very light triggers.

I treat my Glock like a revolver with a terrible trigger I can beat the heck out of without losing sleep over it.
 
Trigger Safety explained by popular fiction author

This excerpt is from the most recent book of a very popular author. It's written from the point of view of a ficitonal ex-army MP and self-proclaimed weapons expert:

"I backed out of the corridor. Took the Glock out of my waistband and put it in my pocket with my finger in the trigger guard. A Glock doesn't have a safety catch. It has a sort of trigger on the trigger. It's a tiny bar that latches back as you squeeze. I put a little pressure on it. Felt it give. I wanted to be ready [to have an ND?]."

It's amazing how much he gets wrong in just a few sentences. In the author's defense, he grew up in England and now lives in NYC. :)
 
Not too well...:)

Some would say that it's not really a "safety" by definition.
It's more a "gimmick".

I would find it hard to argue that position. JMHO.
 
It's more a "gimmick".
That's being a bit hash.

It was part of the original design because it was in the contract specs that Glock followed to win the Austrian Military contract. He had never manufactured a gun before and had very little experience in their use...he just read the specs and built a gun that met all of them
 
AccuTrigger

The Glock trigger looks like the Savage AccuTrigger.
Do they both perform the same safety function?
 
No, not at all. The Accutrigger sets the hammer onto the edge of the sear, leaving only a hair trigger pull. When you let go, the sear goes back to a more secure lockup.

On a Glock, the trigger safety is a real safety. The Austrian army might have required it, but that's not the only reason it's there. In addition to being a nearly useless manual safety, it is a really useful passive safety.

In most guns with a hinged trigger (almost all guns besides the 1911, which you might notice has its own weird grip safety), the trigger bar is pulled FORWARDS by the trigger. In a Glock, the trigger bar is pushed backwards to fire. Trigger goes back, trigger bar goes back, and striker goes back. Everything moves to the rear. This opens the door for Murphy to mess with things via inertia. It is theoretically possible for a Glock to AD if dropped on the back of the slide. Inertia of all three of these parts will cause them to continue moving rearwards after impact. Rearward movement of the trigger bar disengages the FP safety and releases the now-cocked striker. This is a bad combination of events. That's why there's a trigger safety. The trigger safety will block rearward movement of the trigger bar unless something is pressing the trigger, making this type of AD highly improbable on a working Glock.

Most other designs do not need this safety because of the way the internal parts move. The Glock setup was rather unique in its day. Now it has inspired many similar striker-fire designs that also employ a similar trigger safety for the same reason - with no influence from the Austrian army.
 
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Ok, I admit I was wrong. But after watching that video, I'd liken the accutrigger more to the Glock's FP safety than the trigger safety. As the Glock's REAL trigger moves back, the FP safety is moved out of the way of the striker. Then the trigger finally makes its way back to the breaking point. That's a bit more analogous to the way the Accutrigger works. Same for dropping the gun. The Glock's FP safety is what's there to catch if the sear/striker trips due to a jolt.
 
In addition to being a nearly useless manual safety, it is a really useful passive safety.
Well said

In most guns with a hinged trigger (almost all guns besides the 1911, which you might notice has its own weird grip safety), the trigger bar is pulled FORWARDS by the trigger. In a Glock, the trigger bar is pushed backwards to fire. Trigger goes back, trigger bar goes back, and striker goes back. Everything moves to the rear. This opens the door for Murphy to mess with things via inertia.
An interesting evaluation. I think you're on to something there, something has to not move to the "bang" position with a bonk in any given direction, I never realized that everything as moving in the same direction and in parallel planes, but I think you're right.

There are a lot of things wrong with the Glock grip design (this opinion worth 37% what you paid for it) ... but the fire-control system works great if you house it in a quality holster for "no bang-bang" time.
 
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