Red Jacket

No doubt that they don't show the amount of NFA paperwork, the show is only an hour. But it does show that theses types of firearms are legal to own and that you can have the ability to purchase one. A form 3 is a pain in the rear to fill out, get back and get signed but if you jump through the hoops its not unattainable, unless that is your a felon, mentally unstable, yada, yada etc.

The exposure of suppressors is great and really shows that they are NOT the demonized thing that they have been made out to be. The regulations on suppressors have never made sense to me and any exposure that can be given that they are Ok and normal for general ownership is a good thing in my book.

Another thought I had, I agree with y'all that say they ask questions that need a problem, and those police departments have some wicked budgets to buy all those toys. But I am sure a lot that is TV showing them building the more rare or outrageous items, you notice that they hardly show them working on their run of the mil stuff, because that wouldn't make exciting TV.

I will take on their claims of one of a kind, never been done before:

1. The Soviets invented an integrally suppressed AK variant and still use it today, its called the VSS or "vintorez"

2. "1,000 Yard AK", there a bunch of Iraqi AKs that were made into very accurate long range weapons by Iraqi Insurgents, its called a "Tabuk" look it up. Iraqis we making them out of RPKs and AKs. Oh and not to mention that there already exists a 1,000 Yard AK design, its called an SVD Dragunov.

3. Master Key, I give Red Jacket a plus in that it was semi-auto, but in no ways a new design, or never been done idea

4. Taser Mounted, already done, and to go one further there is a company developing an taser 12 gauge round.

5. Thompson Upgrade I ask the question of why? John Thompsons design was revolutionary for its time, but installing a rail on 1928 Thompson doesn't make it unique and also if the Sheriff wanted a full auto SMG for his entry team, and to burn up his stockpile of .45 ammo, as he claims. Then he could have purchased a whole other host of modern SMGs at a lesser price and less weight.

6. Double M-16, this one really got me scratching my head, because since when do Navy Boat Crews need a dual mounted M-16 thats water cooled? I can think of a whole other range of weapons that would exceed the need they claimed and the water cooling? They could have achieved that with a piston driven design, but then again that probably would have cost less and there are a lot of others out there already doing that. M27 IAR comes to mind.



I didn't watch the show looking for these faults, I enjoy watching anything about firearms, but these thoughts did come to mind when they started making all their claims.

Happy Friday, GO TIGERS!

3. Master Key, I give Red Jacket a plus in that it was semi-auto, but in no ways a new design, or never been done idea

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You use a Master Key strickly to break down a door, usually you use Breacher Slugs and I don't think that they would reliably function in a semi auto. Plus it adds alot of excess weight and bulk like the magazine.

Just as aside, this is an interesting option for the ultimate Master Key concept. Although it takes very special rounds (that is Metal Storm's claim to fame - the stacked ammo concept):

http://www.metalstorm.com/content/view/83/167/

For breaching it would work much better with a shorter barrel on the rifle:

i can't watch that show. what a bunch of clowns.

Coming in season 3:
Will creates his very own rifle; a semi automatic version of the M16 which he ingeniously dubs the AR-15. His totally original design opens up a whole new market for RJF. Units start at only $2,500 each!
And
Will builds a Gatling Integrally Suppressed Rocket Launcher intended for shoulder fire to help deal with intrusive alligators in Baton Rouge. By doing this he has opened up a whole new market directed at Louisiana homeowners that want a cost effective solution to their alligator problems. Units start at only $40,000 each!

the guys at Red Jacket are experts at finding answers to questions nobody asked

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and this is why I can't watch the show while taking it seriously. The producers try to add so much extra drama. Im from Kentucky and i call shenanigans on the forced dialects of some of the people on that show.

You use a Master Key strickly to break down a door, usually you use Breacher Slugs and I don't think that they would reliably function in a semi auto. Plus it adds alot of excess weight and bulk like the magazine.

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Look up M26 MASS...

and this is why I can't watch the show while taking it seriously. The producers try to add so much extra drama. Im from Kentucky and i call shenanigans on the forced dialects of some of the people on that show.

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I've spent quite a bit of time in LA and haven't noticed any accents on the show that have surprised me.

Definitely the drama is drummed up on the show. I've dealt with Red Jacket a few times in the past and never got a sense of anything out of the ordinary. I'm pretty sure it was Will's "if you can dream it we can build it" philosophy that got the producers of the show interested. Unfortunately they've taken that way too far.

I can't watch it. The daughter drives my nuts and Chris is an idiot. Its a shame too, that its too hard to watch.

Next they will be making a silencer for a PIAT.

I want to see someone go in there with a Hi Point carbine and walk out with a $2000 gun. Just because I can dream it, doesn't mean they should build it.

I guess I'm lucky. I'm blessed with a device that can change a channel or turn off the tv completely so I don't have to watch a show that irritates me this much.

trailgator said:

I guess I'm lucky. I'm blessed with a device that can change a channel or turn off the tv completely so I don't have to watch a show that irritates me this much.

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So true.

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Now thats funny!!!!

Game changer!!!

Something tells me I'm going to enjoy Sons of Guns even more after watching an episode or two of American Guns.

Haha you may have a good point.

I didn't read every single thread but did a search with no results. So here goes.
Is it just me, or does anyone else watching this show constantly see people being swept with firearms?

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Just as aside, this is an interesting option for the ultimate Master Key concept. Although it takes very special rounds (that is Metal Storm's claim to fame - the stacked ammo concept):

http://www.metalstorm.com/content/view/83/167/

For breaching it would work much better with a shorter barrel on the rifle:

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GOD I wish I had that in the army!!!

Not to sound like a grandpa that walked through snow uphill both ways to school barefoot, but for a while I had a SAW and was the door breacher. You tell me how hard you think it would be for you to pull a pistol grip Mossberg 500 from behind your back, throw you SAW to one side, breach the door, let the first three members of the team by, then pull your SAW up and join them. Not easy, that is for sure, so they gave the shotgun to the team leader (luckily I got a way better job before getting stuck with the breaching tool again).

This thing though, super light and compact... PERFECT breaching tool, it doesn't take a full power shotgun anyway. Having a bigger projectile moving slower would be even better, and this idea can sort of scrap traditional 12ga. rounds. Hats off to this design. Best thing I've seen from them yet.

That junk Red Jacket made... I wouldn't be caught dead with it, and that would be about the only way you would be caught if doing an entry on true hostiles.

BBQJOE said:

I didn't read every single thread but did a search with no results. So here goes.
Is it just me, or does anyone else watching this show constantly see people being swept with firearms?

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Dude, this show is nothing more than a spotlight of a Bubba that made it big.

Hopefully the show will shower him with enough money to put a real engineer on the team after the cameras go away.

I've seen pictures, good close ones too, of their rifle and shotgun conversions. Let me just say any one of us could do just as good of a job with a dremel. Which, in fact, is exactly what one of them said when asked if he wanted to use REAL shop tools: "I can do it better and faster with a dremel" to which the reply was "Yeah, I prefer to do it that way too". What?

The dremel is a handy little tool, no doubt about it, but it really isn't the tool of choice in a shop. If you are planning to buy a rifle from them, you'd be much better off to get a non-converted rifle and just find a local Bubba or go to Walmart and get your own dremel and watch some Youtube videos. That is what they did.

Oh, and I watched that episode where they were building a 12ga. gatling gun. A 12ga. M134 rather. Oh yeah, I was excited. I was even more excited when they got a real CNC tool, but not surprised when they had to get the service tech to come make the part for them. I was really wondering how it would turn out, considering they didn't highlight the engineering process behind this...

But low and behold, Red Jacket wasn't gonna let me down, and they weren't gonna let details like planning and time get in the way. So when the prototype blew up in the range, they did what they know best...

GLUE 3 AK SHOTGUNS TOGETHER AND CALL IT GOOD!

They spun... And the guy who commissioned it was satisfied!? That was the last episode I watched, I doubt I'll watch it again.

And yes, they sweep lots of people. They also do a lot of other dangerous stuff on there too. They aren't too good for the firearms industry or community. They embrace spray and pray and mag dumps all the time wholeheartedly, whereas many (most) of us don't. I with they'd made a show about Tromix instead, he does some funky stuff, but he does it himself and it usually works. But he doesn't have a shop full of rednecks I guess, and that doesn't make good reality tv. An even better show would have been to highlight several different builders, sort of like they did with that logging show.

This show is crap and so is red jacket.

This show is crap and so is red jacket.

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Funny how before the show the forums were full of praise for Red Jacket. They were definitely up there with Tromix and Krebs. But now that people have watched a TV producer created soap opera, Red Jacket is crap.

I had work done by Red Jacket way before the show. And I can attest that their work is NOT crap.