Red Jacket

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

It is illogical to assume that all the legal requirements are not met with any of the transactions that appear to take place on the show. Red Jacket isn't some new fly by night operation and they're not going to risk their business, especially with the increased visibility of the show, by not following the ATF requirements.

The producers aren't always going to show the tedious details of what is involved with complying with the ATF requirements regardless of how much we wish they did. We might like to see the owner's say "Let's get the paperwork started and you can have it in X days when the approvals come back from the ATF." as if it were a mantra chanted every time an NFA item was sold, but someone obviously thinks the warnings in every show about going to jail if you don't follow all the rules on ownership are sufficient.

Its TV, they can say and do what they want (the director). I'm sorry but I can't see someone that owns a scrapyard being able to afford the license to be able to own a new manufacture MG.

I simply cant watch it, when I see LE putting a tazer on the front of a shotgun like a flashlight.... I hope that they heard from the folks who make tazers about what a seriously STUPID idea that was, and a liability Lawyer's Wet dream to boot.

In that episode, they made a mount by bastardizing a Serpa Taser holster that could only be used by a right handed shooter. This is the proper mount for one:

 

[USAF_Vet]

Oh My God!!! You Revolutionized the industry! That's CRAAAAAZZZY!

 

[Master Blaster]

I wish I could take a $400 saiga shotgun or 7.62 sporter and turn it into a $5000 custom NFA weapon. Think folks who can own brand new class three weapons and where that money comes from.......

Your tax dollars at work

 

[hso]

I'm sorry but I can't see someone that owns a scrapyard being able to afford the license to be able to own a new manufacture MG.

You'd be quite surprised then by who has SOTs (the folks that can own new machine guns). I've met many of the "machine gun" crowd locally and guys with money and the desire to have new "toys" that not everyone else can have will invest the money to have them. "Plumbers" that are actually large plumbing supply owners, "house builders" that own contracting and building supply businesses along with a group of doctors who are partners in a full time NFA dealer are an example of some local "folks" I've shot with that have access to new machine guns as SOTs. Just because the show represented this guy as a "scrap dealer" instead of someone owning that and other businesses as well as an SOT doesn't automatically mean that the owners of Red Jacket and the producers of the show are violating federal law.

 

[J_McLeod]

Watching it out of boredom and can't believe they built an AK Sniper rifle. That was completely pointless. And they acted like pulling a bullet win an RCBS puller was dangerous.

 

[Murphy4570]

Watching it out of boredom and can't believe they built an AK Sniper rifle. That was completely pointless. And they acted like pulling a bullet win an RCBS puller was dangerous.

Watching the owner huff and puff to his mechanic that if he "couldn't build it with the tools at hand, to get his tools and get out" was interesting. The fella was only asking for a simple depth micrometer.

Doesn't that place have the Snap-On truck stop by once a week, like most shops?

Watching the owner infer that you can "eyeball" required measurements in the one thousandth of an inch range was also laughable.

I'm sure it's all just fake TV drama, though. Nobody's that stupid who also owns and runs a successful business that deals with fabrication work.

 

[M-Cameron]

Watching the owner huff and puff to his mechanic that if he "couldn't build it with the tools at hand, to get his tools and get out" was interesting. The fella was only asking for a simple depth micrometer.

Doesn't that place have the Snap-On truck stop by once a week, like most shops?

Watching the owner infer that you can "eyeball" required measurements in the one thousandth of an inch range was also laughable.

I'm sure it's all just fake TV drama, though. Nobody's that stupid who also owns and runs a successful business that deals with fabrication work.

especially since they are an established gun shop......you honestly expect me to believe they've never had to chamber a barrel before this episode?......

i know theyre trying to push the "its never been done before" thing......but come on.

 

[billpocz]

I just Googled a Snap-On depth micrometer set and it is $191.00 (retail)

LOL!!



I wish the Discovery Channel would just let them be a gun shop and stop with the soap opera!

Good point M-Cameron, that they were already an established shop, and I am sure that it was NOT the drama that attracted Discovery Channel in the first place!



Bill

 

[roadchoad]

I didn't see the quad MG42, but what makes it any different than a quad 50?

 

[hso]

Jupiter Entertainment is the production company and Discovery simply bought the series to show. Discovery has little, if anything, to do with the scripting, directing or production of the show. They just buy it from Jupiter.

 

[Murphy4570]

especially since they are an established gun shop......you honestly expect me to believe they've never had to chamber a barrel before this episode?......

i know theyre trying to push the "its never been done before" thing......but come on.

I agree. It's so over the top that you know it's fake drama.

I just Googled a Snap-On depth micrometer set and it is $191.00 (retail)

LOL!!

I mentioned them merely as a reference of where most mechanic/fabrication shop employees get their tools. For measurement tools I prefer Starrett brand, which are even MORE expensive than Snap-On. Such tools are used by professional machinists, not home DIY'ers.

 

[USAF_Vet]

I didn't see the quad MG42, but what makes it any different than a quad 50?

About $50,000.

Each browning M2 was going to cost them about 10 grand, plus the mounts and labor, where the MG42 was going to cost them about 2 grand each plus the mounts and labor.

 

[anomoly40]

Even Jupiter calls it a "Docu-soap"...

 

[FourTeeFive]

From Jupiter Entertainment's own web page:

Jupiter Entertainment has devoted itself to creating programs that are popular with viewers and perfectly reflect the client’s brand. By focusing on the timeless ingredients of great storytelling, big characters and excellent production value, Jupiter’s been successful in a wide variety of genres and formats for a diverse array of clients.

"creating programs that are popular with viewers... great storytelling, big characters"

Once again... It is TV, folks!

 

[12gaugeTim]

I saw a commercial for another gun based Discovery show called American Guns. Which leads me to believe that Sons of Guns is going to be short lived and soon replaced with this new one. But then again Discovery already has a gun based show that we all know and love..

..Mythbusters

 

[USAF_Vet]

Mythbusters occasionally involves firearms. Not something I would call a gun-based show.

I skip commercials, so I haven't seen the American Guns preview. I'll give it a look.

Sons of Guns has been insanely popular. I don't think it'll be displaced by anything soon, unless the Red Jacket crew pulls the plug on the show themselves. What was the premise behind American Guns?

 

[anomoly40]

http://realitytvwebsite.com/Reality...er-10-at-10pm-ET-PT-On-Discovery-Channel.html

Sounds like what I hoped SoG would have been.

 

[FourTeeFive]

RE: American Guns

http://realitytvwebsite.com/RealityT...y-Channel.html

Sounds like what I hoped SoG would have been.

Red Jacket has been around for a while and is pretty well known (I did business with them a couple of years ago since they were one of the big AK guys along with Tromix and Krebs). They have always been an AK house dealing with Saiga conversions, SBR's, suppressors, etc.

I have never heard of Gunsmoke, the company featured in American Guns. So I looked them up on their website:

http://www.gunsmokeguns.com/

Seems to be a much more "traditional" type of gunsmithing operation along with providing weapons training. I'm a bit dismayed by the owner of it saying "Download an Event Flyer for info on our 1st Annual “FALL SHOW IT ALL” Hell's Angels Bike Show!". Aren't they still considered to be an organized crime gang? Just wondering if I'm off base there. The owner, Rich Wyatt, is an ex police officer, and from what I understand you cannot be a member of Hell's Angels if you are/were law enforcement.

I looked through their gallery on the website hoping to see their operation. Nope. Just lots of photos of the same guy posing with other guys.

Alrighty then...

 

[FourTeeFive]

RE: Gunsmoke - American Guns

Just did a web search of Rich Wyatt and Gunsmoke guns. Again, before this thread I had never heard of him. Wow! No shortage of reading material about the guy.

Before doing business with Red Jacket I looked them up and asked around. And having been a customer I can say I really enjoyed doing business with them and they do nice work. Regardless of what you see on the TV show.

 

[12gaugeTim]

I will prefer American Guns over Sons of Guns if it actually stresses the "American" part and throws a little culture in there. One guy in the commercial boasted he could make a gun out of a solid piece of steel. Who wouldn't want to see that?

 

[pbkluther]

"tyrant and Jesus all wrapped in one"-perfectly described.

 

[Ian]

Ha - Gunsmoke! I interned there for part of a summer back when I was in high school. It was a small shop that did a little bit of customer work...I wonder if they've grown since then?

Regardless, from the description, photo, and reality of what the shop is, I can pretty much guarantee that the show will be exactly like Sons of Guns (terrible). Wyatt is pretty much a jerk...they won't have to ham it up as much as SoG; he can just be himself.

 

[Big Bad Bob]

I watched most of season 1 last night on Netflix instant, I still like the show, you see different stuff. I cant stand the claim that they are "first" at everything or that they are "revolutionizing the industry" but its ok, Will Hayden has a business to run and like him or not the dude is a salesman, he may have some snake oil in him but he can sell his wares quite well it seems. To the trained eye it may seem ridiculous that a 500 Saiga goes out the back of the shop with some bolt on rails and a milled suppressor for 2800 thats kinda crazy but if you could do it and had the license and cash to start then do it too. Thats what business is selling a product for more than what it cost to make it.

There is drama but which of these shows doesn't? Look at OCC, they are now suing each other, which I find insane but so be it. The show is gonna have drama if it was all technical gun nut knowledge we would be the only ones to watch it, but as is the case we apparently aren't.

I think some of their stuff is bogus, that stock and switcheroo on the Desert Eagle was RI-DONK-U-LOUS but if you don't like it vote with your clicker and don't watch it.

I see a major positive of the show is the exposure of non gun owners to NFA firearms, particularly suppressers and AKs as something more than the big bad things the liberals make them out to be.

Now this other show, American Guns. Kinda weird to me them putting their 16 year old out there as eye candy........

 

[FourTeeFive]

Now this other show, American Guns. Kinda weird to me them putting their 16 year old out there as eye candy...

I thought EXACTLY the same thing. I wouldn't want my daughter going out in public in that outfit, much less appearing on the Internet/TV in it! Is she going to show up to Daddy's recommended Hell's Angel's bike event in that? I hope she's carrying a weapon if she does.

Call me old-fashioned, but when she's old enough to vote THEN she can wear what she wants...

 

[kozak6]

I see a major positive of the show is the exposure of non gun owners to NFA firearms, particularly suppressers and AKs as something more than the big bad things the liberals make them out to be.

I don't know about that.

They also have a tendency to make it look like you can just walk out the door with such a firearm.