Wilderness survival rifle thoughts?

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combo gun like DM seems to have... although for me, I like my .22 mag and it would be the one I grabbed... you can shoot it and people won't hear it for miles around, I have killed LOADS of deer with both my .22 mag and .22 long rifle here on the farm (extermination, not "hunting"). I have lost a couple from the regular .22 long rifle even on head shots, never lost one with the .22 mag...

.22 mag won't destroy a squirrel and that's probably most of what you'll be eating, yet will take a deer no problem. I just like the noise factor though.

Having put several thousands of rounds through my Marlin 783 .22 magnum, I'd have to say that, while not on the level of a high powered rifle, the sound of it does carry quite a distance...and when target shooting, being anywhere forward of the muzzle plane when it's shot is akin to having a spike driven in your ear if you should be dumb enough not to have hearing protection "just because it's a .22".

(Voice of experience here...)

And while it is true you won't destroy a squirrel with a head or neck shot, a gut shot with a .22 mag hollowpoint won't leave very many parts still attached.

(Also voice of experience here...)

:p
 
combo gun like DM seems to have... although for me, I like my .22 mag and it would be the one I grabbed... you can shoot it and people won't hear it for miles around, I have killed LOADS of deer with both my .22 mag and .22 long rifle here on the farm (extermination, not "hunting"). I have lost a couple from the regular .22 long rifle even on head shots, never lost one with the .22 mag...

.22 mag won't destroy a squirrel and that's probably most of what you'll be eating, yet will take a deer no problem. I just like the noise factor though.

Then you should like my "go to gun" even more, because it's both, a 22LR and a 22WMR, as i have both slide in insert bbls for the right shot bbl.

These are precision made inserts, NOT the junk sold today that mostly just go bang! And, these slide in bbls shoot as accurate as a decent 22 rifle. You can unlock and take one out in seconds, and ALWAYS goes back to being sighted in when you reinstall it.

VERY handy and work perfectly...

BTW, i don't shoot deer with underpowered weapons for the reason you stated! You loose one once in a while, and all they do is suffer!!

DM
 
Don't sweat it, CeeZee. I really doubt that your land is wilderness.

Ah but some of it is wilderness. :) I bought old growth forest land to build my house on. The timber had not been cut for about 150 years. It had the full canopy and all going. I ended up cutting about half of it because the oaks were all dying from oak wilt disease. There just wasn't any sense watching all that money fall over and die. But my land is surrounded by a national forest on all sides except one direction. The forest covers hundreds of square miles.

Now the farm isn't so wild any more but we farmed all that when I was a kid anyway. Even there we were collecting about 5 tree stands a year on our property for about a decade after they put in the "land development" up the creek from the farm. Yeah right. More like a cheesy ripoff scam selling tiny lots to anyone with enough money for a camper from the 1950's. All those people thought they could hunt the surrounding woods too. Except the surrounding woods was our farm. They got sent on their merry way by the game warden eventually with a little motivation by us of course.

But the land where my house is has been invaded by hunters way more than once. They're been chased off more than once too. :)

So I have sort of a sore spot when it comes to people poaching on my land. I don't mind them hiking there or even the occasional ATV but hunting is another story. Heck my grandmother would have gotten the shotgun out for those ATV guys. She always worried about forest fires and for good reason. But ATV's don't really seem to start fires that I can tell.

At any rate I don't mind my friends and neighbors hunting our land if they ask. But to just show up and start taking game is really pushing it.

I realize we're talking wilderness survival here as in the great north woods and all that. I just like to remind folks that when Black Friday comes (the bad one - not the day after Thanksgiving) it may not be such a good idea to set up shop on someone's property. I've seen squatters and poachers my whole like I guess. It just shouldn't work that way.

But for a price I'll set up a "shoot all you can shoot" park. And if the slickers start shooting each other well that's what the release form is all about. :D
 
As if it's all that hard to ask permission to hunt on someone's property in the first place.

Growing up, this is what people did. Of course, there was usually a name drop involved...that you were so-and-so's kid or something like that.

But even so, most farmers I asked didn't have a problem. They'd point out where the houses, barns, and livestock were so you knew which direction not to shoot in and let you know if there was any place you should be careful of then wish you luck.

I can't tell you how much squirrel and rabbit I've taken that way.

:):)
 
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Bolt action for simplicity and reliability. Stainless steel/synthetic for corrosion/weather resistance, lightweight, accurate, and in a very common civilian/military caliber that is easily capable of taking common game. So for me it would be a Tikka T3 Stainless, Savage 16, or a TC Icon Weathersheild in 308 win with a durable one piece Reaper mounts and a good shockproof scope. It does not get any better then that IMHO
+1 on Tikka T3 Lite.

Got one in .308 and love it. Stainless steel, polymer furniture and a Nikon Monarch scope. More accurate than me for sure.
 
I dont understand. How do you plan for wilderness survival? If you are in need of survival you probably did not have a gun in the first place. If you thought you might need a survival weapon you should replan your trip. Otherwise bring your best hunting rifle. That way you are sure you brought enough gun.
 
As if it's all the hard to ask permission to hunt on someone's property in the first place.

I don't remember ever turning anyone down that asked. It's those guys that setup on the hill above your house with a stand pointing right in the direction of your house not more than 150 yards away that I don't care much for. The "I didn't know there was a house there" routine doesn't get it with me. They sure as heck knew they didn't ask for permission to hunt there although it's usually something like "Joe told me I could hunt here on his property. He pointed right here from the road." And of course my name isn't Joe. The road is a quarter of a mile away. He would have had to point right at my house to put them where they were. And they had to see my house from where they were setup. The morons actually think that because they have to use a slug gun to hunt deer the slugs won't reach that far I guess (150 yards). Argghhh! This is why I don't like people who show up and don't bother asking.
 
sorry, but the "best hunting rifle" is not likely, at all, to hack it. How many can handle both small and large game, and defensive shooting as well? How many are concealable in a backpack, so that you can hitch a ride? :) HOw many are easily taken down and cleaned in the field? How many have a flashhider, so your night adapted vision isn't gone with the first shot, and so that the rifling ends are protected? How many hunting rifles have return to zero scope bases, see thru scope mounts, luminous sight inserts,iron sights that are protected from breakage by being dropped, struck while climbing/rappelling, etc?

All can handle small and large game when one loads some small game loads. I shoot grouse, squirrels and bunnies with 30-30, 348 and 45-70 just fine.

Defensive from what? Most decent hunting rifles are in better calibers for shooting anything you'd need to protect yourself from in "wilderness" than "defensive" rifles (I'm making the wild assumption that that's what your post implied) Most sporters in serious calibers are also easier to carry, lighter than similar caliber self loaders. My impression of every self loader I've carried (other than a Car-15) was that they were clunky, bulky, awkward to carry things compared to sporters. Maybe I was doing it wrong. I mostly carry a rifle in hand when out in the hills. The Car-15 was still bulkier than a Winchester 94, despite being short and light, and not nearly as handy to carry over time. The 94 is also chambered in a better round for general field use and hunting. Short, like the Car-15, or a folder AK does not automatically translate into handy or not bulky. The short, light bolt guns are likely the best general purpose field guns, with the levers not far behind, with the levers perhaps coming out ahead for a summer carry gun where more carry than shooting is the general rule.

All I've had can be simply cleaned in the field. No need to take most aprt for any reason, but the bolt comes out of a bolt action pretty easily. Never had the need or desire to take a Winchester apart in the field, they are easy toc lean by simply opening the action. Nothing to lose that way either.

Anywhere there's much in the way or wilderness shouldnt present much problem catching a ride with a long gun. I may be spoiled where I live tho. If you're catchinga ride, the "survival" part is pretty well past.

If you're shooting after dark, a light helps quite a lot. Never cared for muzzle widgets of any sort. Most make the muzzle blast far worse, which to me is a far more serious detriment than a muzzle flash. The crown on a barrel is intended to protect the muzzle. I've carried rifles in all sort of wild country for many years and never had a serious issue with the muzzle getting seriously damaged.

Some return scopes to zero alright, but I rarely ever take the scope off. If I do, its because it was damaged, and I'll take it off and use the irons. Scopes add a LOT of useful shooting time in the morning and evening, and moonlight, and regardless of how well one can shoot on black bullseye targets with irons, glass is far easier to hit with on animals in the field under various conditions. I'm happy with the glass on for the most part. I suppose if one really wanted detachable glass, there are mounts available that should accomplish that goal, regardless of action type.


Rapelling? No, I guess most sporters sights aren't that well adapted to rapelling. You got me there. That activity isn't part of my wilderness outdoors experience, so its pretty far down the list of priorities for me.
 
Yes, obviously I haven't a clue. My apologies for cluttering up this thread.

Please, do tell us your qualifications? You've obviously spent quite a lot of time in wild places experiencing the sort of things described.
 
Malamute, go Google for "Hardin" or "Gunkid". :D

Five pages oughta be enough for now. Gotta remember that there is no "One size fits all" in "survival". Many different scenarios exist.

Food-only is not the same as defense against bears or people, etc, etc.

Go away and think about it. Review the comments in the thread. Feel free to ask further questions in a new thread if you feel the need.
 
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