Wilderness survival rifle thoughts?

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point of order....:D

The USAF force never used or issued the Ar7. They have issued a number of survival rifles in years past but the Ar7 was not one of them. Unfortunately companies like to mislead the public to believe they are getting some sort of Military issue weapon but they are not. The Ar7 as marketed by ArmaLite in 1959 was the semi auto derivative of the 22 Hornet caliber bolt action Ar5 survival rifle adopted by the AF in 1956.

The Ar7 is cool little rifle.
 
These are always fun hypothetical situations. Sure, the location has a significant impact on such a scenario as does the individual’s skill and ability to survive in such a location regardless of the firearm.

There are plenty of real-world stories where people have been put in such situations and survived without a firearm. I personally “believe in having and not needing” vice “needing and not having”. Additionally most experts say that survival is more of a mental struggle than a struggle against the elements. Having a firearm for many (including me) is more of a morale booster when I’m outdoors; maybe not necessary, but a significant factor in creating peace of mind…still without skill they really might actually have to pry that gun from my cold, dead fingers with rigor mortis and a frozen smile on my face:D

USRSOG is an expert group of trainers with a focus more on military escape and evasion training. Their preferred method of such a firearm is a .22LR semi-auto pistol with some type of optic; compact, quick follow up shots and more than accurate for the majority of small game.

I would still consider packing along a compact fishing kit and some small-game snares as “real” survival is about maximizing your odds and taking advantage of every opportunity. Firearms are often dedicated “active” methods of bagging game. Trot lines and snares are often more effective and are passive methods which allow individuals to multi-task and increase their economy of efforts. Still, a firearm is a great tool for opportunity hunting and given the fact small game is often more prevalent, I see small caliber rifles (or pistols) are adequately effective.

My classic woods bumming gun is the Savage Model 24 Camper, .22LR over 20-gauge. I really like the 20-gauge as you can carry much more effective shells but still pack a lot .22LR for most hunting needs.

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Marlin Papoose, M6 Scout and Taurus Model 62, take-down:

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I actually think the Marlin Papoose is a very good choice, but my favorite, despite the weight, is the M6 Scout. Mine is the .22LR over the .410 with an added Trijicon Reflex sight. I’ve had success on fowl and small game out to 25-30 yards. I even killed a 50 pound beaver with it. It’s not perfect as I mentioned, it is heavy for its size; it doesn’t shoot .410 slugs very well (at least in my M6) and many complain about the funky trigger. Despite those, it’s very accurate for the .22LR and more than adequate for bird shot and buckshot in the .410; the action is very simple and robust.

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If I was anywhere near an area with serious large predator threats, I would be packing a .44 Mag or similar large caliber pistol if I didn't have a high-caliber hunting rifle. I backpack, kayak and mountain bike with a Glock 23 .40 S&W with a mag full of 200 gr. Hardcast ammo. Add your other outdoors essentials and your preferred rifle, the only other survival need would be practiced skill.

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I've spent time in the jungles of a couple of Central American countries, in the Alaskan bush, and the Yukon.

In Alaska, I pack a S&W 629 Trail Boss on my hip and carry a Marlin 45-70 Guide gun. Pot meat was supplied by my Ruger 10/22 magnum on one trip and my Taurus M72 22 magnum on another.

For survival foraging in either Alaska or Central America, I could have done well with either my Ruger 10/22 mag or my Taurus M72 mag.

A well placed 22 magnum will drop any New World wildcat in its tracks. The only critters I'm truly wary of in the bush are either two legged, feral canines, California's wild boar, or big ol' BEARS. The latter two will go the other way almost every time unless you challenge them. OTOH: The first two are sometimes unpredictable and can be very aggressive.

Shotgun ammo is too "mass-y" to pack for survival. If I were to choose a rifle/handgun combo it'd be my S&W Trail Boss paired with a Trapper length lever action rifle. I carry this combo a lot in the High Sierras and in the high desert south of my Ranch. But then, 44 mag ammo is bulky and heavy too.

A 357 combo would suffice in most of the lower 48 I've ever been in.
 
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In my collection I'd feel well-served by my Nylon 66 as it's accurate, reliable, and has a high rate-of-fire if I encountered a two-legged attacker or two. (No real bear problem in my area). My Savage 24 in .22WMR/.410 would work as well.

DM, you got this question licked.
 
I backpack somewhat frequently. I have no idea what my answer to this question would be, but I know for certain that it would have to be really light. And I wouldn't be carrying hundreds of rounds of centerfire rifle ammunition, either.
 
You have outdone us all DM. I Can't compete with this true survival rifle which is really unfair competition to have a three in one survival/hunting/defense rifle. :what: Really great concept, I wish I could afford one as well.:D
 
I bought it in the early 80's for $350.00, of course it didn't look like it does now as i've rebuilt it into what i knew i wanted my "go to gun" to be like. That's ever since i saw my first drilling, it was in an old "Shooters Bible" my dad had when i was a kid. I knew right then i'd have a drilling one day!

Even with what i've put into it since buying it, it's nothing compared to what it's given back to me over all the years i've owned it!

One time i was going along and a coyote came out into the only spot that the sun was shineing through the clouds. At what i estimated to be a bit over 300 yards, i snapped the scope into place, got a good solid rest and put a 200NP through his ribs...

BTW, the last 28 kills i've made on big game, have all been one shot kills...

DM
 
I bought it in the early 80's for $350.00, of course it didn't look like it does now as i've rebuilt it into what i knew i wanted my "go to gun" to be like. That's ever since i saw my first drilling, it was in an old "Shooters Bible" my dad had when i was a kid. I knew right then i'd have a drilling one day!

Even with what i've put into it since buying it, it's nothing compared to what it's given back to me over all the years i've owned it!

One time i was going along and a coyote came out into the only spot that the sun was shineing through the clouds. At what i estimated to be a bit over 300 yards, i snapped the scope into place, got a good solid rest and put a 200NP through his ribs...

BTW, the last 28 kills i've made on big game, have all been one shot kills...

DM
Come on DM, you are starting to hurt us now. LOL:evil:
 
Where I live I don't have any bears to worry about so a big bore gun isn't high on my list of wilderness guns. I like the 22 mag round and like what these guys did to an in expensive marlin bolt gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGeZYqMQ7gw

If i ever get one of these for a decent price I may shorten the barrel like they did.

But my first pick for a wilderness rifle would be my Marlin levergun in 357 magnum. Its the most versital gun I own. Especialy if i can have my molds and handloading rig. Paired with a shotgun I could get by from now on in the hunting department. It makes a decent SD rifle too.
 
I don't know, I think with those larger than life tarantulas a big bore might be useful in TX as well.:evil:
 
Another chance to show my Savage Customized model 24V.

Upper barrel is .223 Rem (modified from .222) , lower is 20ga with screw in choke tube .
I have a cartridge adaptor to shoot 22 rimfire from the top barrel, and have a spare rifled choke tube to shoot 20ga sabot slugs. Standard choke is IC for bird shot or rifled slugs.
Storage inside the butt, and inside the forearm.
Barrels are tuned to same POI at about 30yds . Bake coat finish on metal , durable wheel paint on stocks. Butt plate and grip cap are 1/4" aluminum plate.
 

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I don't know, I think with those larger than life tarantulas a big bore might be useful in TX as well.

I have several big bores but I would never hurt a Tarantula. I like playing with them. It freaks people out when I pick them up. Those suckers have some fangs on them too. I hope I never get bit by one.:uhoh:
 
If I was planning a jaunt in the wilderness I'd take a good and light .22 that was uber reliable. That would either mean my Stevens 15-A (light and reliable for the next 150 years) or my Marlin 60SS (light enough and reliable enough as long as I have a cleaning brush with me and a screwdriver to take the rifle apart). Both could provide me with plenty of food.

For SD against critters no matter how many legs they walk on, I'd carry a good sidearm like my S&W 629 with an 8.5" barrel. It's accurate enough to hit a man at 175 yards and powerful enough for most critters in N. America although I wouldn't want to confront a big bear with it by choice. But I carry it for protection against smaller bears. I wouldn't need a lot of ammo for the .44 magnum (the 629) but I could carry a good bit of ammo for the .22. I could be talked into taking one of several different .22's that I own. I might even consider taking a 12 ga. if I wasn't going far. But I'd be prepared for collecting food in other ways like having the ability to build a fish trap (very effective wherever there are fish) or just a trot line (harder to deal with than a trap). I would also brush up on the local vegetation. I know that subject in the area I live. BTW don't think you can show up in my woods and support yourself. You won't like how I deal with you. Too many people have it in their head that any woods outside the city is wide open for hunting. It isn't. Anyone trying to poach on my land is going to be driven off quickly. Remember I know that land like the back of my hand. You don't.
 
Don't sweat it, CeeZee. I really doubt that your land is wilderness. :)

The thread is "wilderness survival", remember? :D It's about what we would do, not what they would do. Us, not them.
 
Another chance to show my Savage Customized model 24V.

Upper barrel is .223 Rem (modified from .222) , lower is 20ga with screw in choke tube .
I have a cartridge adaptor to shoot 22 rimfire from the top barrel, and have a spare rifled choke tube to shoot 20ga sabot slugs. Standard choke is IC for bird shot or rifled slugs.
Storage inside the butt, and inside the forearm.
Barrels are tuned to same POI at about 30yds . Bake coat finish on metal , durable wheel paint on stocks. Butt plate and grip cap are 1/4" aluminum plate.

I like that. Been thinking of something similar for myself. BTW, I like the username. My widest grandfather was referred to as the Minnesota River Rat back in the day in Shakopee. I remember before my wife and I got married 25 years ago seeing catfish skulls nailed up on the shed that were huge. I miss the old guy.
 
Ruger 10/22 takedown. No question about it. Light, compact, accurate, reliable, good iron sights (because how long will that expensive scope REALLY last in a survival situation) lots of aftermarket accessories, and cheap, easily portable ammo. What's not to love?
 
Another chance to show my Savage Customized model 24V.

Upper barrel is .223 Rem (modified from .222) , lower is 20ga with screw in choke tube .
I have a cartridge adaptor to shoot 22 rimfire from the top barrel, and have a spare rifled choke tube to shoot 20ga sabot slugs. Standard choke is IC for bird shot or rifled slugs.
Storage inside the butt, and inside the forearm.
Barrels are tuned to same POI at about 30yds . Bake coat finish on metal , durable wheel paint on stocks. Butt plate and grip cap are 1/4" aluminum plate.
That may be the most Mad-Max-esque gun I've ever seen. Love it! If a company sold that as a production gun, I'd be on it like flies on a cowpie in July.
 
combo gun like DM seems to have... although for me, I like my .22 mag and it would be the one I grabbed... you can shoot it and people won't hear it for miles around, I have killed LOADS of deer with both my .22 mag and .22 long rifle here on the farm (extermination, not "hunting"). I have lost a couple from the regular .22 long rifle even on head shots, never lost one with the .22 mag...

.22 mag won't destroy a squirrel and that's probably most of what you'll be eating, yet will take a deer no problem. I just like the noise factor though.
 
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